Talk:Rarity/@comment-26258430-20151206223533/@comment-27673740-20160328143246

"Twisting? This is stuff I noticed while watching the episode. Same with The Best Night Ever. Do you really think that I’m looking for reasons to dislike Rarity?"

'''Yes. Citing a dream of hers as proof for lacking imagination and shallowness? Please.'''

"Again: "Actually, she doesn't. Sassy Saddles doesn't really "overstep her bounds" beyond naming the dress without Rarity's input. The only thing she really did wrong was selling only one of the dresses, but that clearly had positive results, and she was very well within her right to do so. Also, complaining about selling only one of the dresses sounds so hypocritical with the very previous episode, which shows that that night and the night before, Rarity, being as shallow as she is, had no thought about anyone else but herself with her dresses.... and she only has the imagination for one design.

How is she overstepping her bounds?""

'''Like you said, naming the dress and not consulting her boss. And taking 100 orders of that dress certainly did not have positive results. Sassy could have consulted Rarity, she was right there. She could have asked if she even would be able to take 100 orders, if she even was willing to. Huge decisions like that you usually discuss with your boss. She even took another 100 orders, which was what made Rarity finally snap.'''

And you say you dont actively search for reasons to dislike Rarity, but you cite the dream she had in the episode before as reason why she is selfish and shallow and lacking in imagination just because she dreamed of only one dress design?

""shifting" implies that the blame shouldn't be on Rarity in the first place, which you haven't really substantiated."

'''Why would it be? Sassy took matters in her own hand that she had no business deciding without taking into account what her boss wants.'''

"One would also appreciate not making these baseless assumptions about one’s attitude."

They arent really baseless if you take a dream as an example to try to prove that Rarity is imaginationless, selfish and shallow.

"I highly doubt that was what Sassy was trying to do. She’s barely given any breathing room in the episode. She just does stuff for the boutique before becoming Rarity’s scapegoat."

'''The one without breathing room was Rarity because Sassy took an amount of orders that she would have problems handling without even asking. And yes, she did "stuff" for the boutique, but not the stuff that was approved of her boss. Sassy actually looked pretty relaxed, when compared to Rarity, who basically worked in a sweat shop, while Sassy never really looked stressed at all.'''

Look at the poor suffering scapegoat at her assembly line.

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'''And Sassy very clearly said that she did not want to be part of another failed boutique, implying that she was part of at least one other. And, seeing how she ignored her bosses wishes for her own business completely, i dont think Sassy was innocent in the failing of those businesses.'''

"And that’s fine. What isn’t fine is how it’s portrayed in the episode’s context (Rarity is setting up a branch in another city, so she won’t see her customers being in style or get the feeling that it’s all worthwhile) and using Sassy Saddles as a scapegoat."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">She will KNOW that they will be in style and that its worthwile even if she isnt in Canterlot at the time, but only if her boutique isnt turned into some sort of factory, which is what Sassy did without asking, which she could have easily done.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"The song was about what Rarity enjoys in her profession and treating them as if they’re specific guidelines for her business."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''They are guidelines for her business. For HER boutique. She isnt trying to make her believes look like the only way it should be done, but it is the way she wants to do it. She is the boss, she owns the place, she pays Sassy. Sassy has to adhere to the philosophy of Rarity. Raritys shop, Raritys rules.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"The song also gives little regard to working with others."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''So what? Does that make her seflish to sing a song about her very own philosophy? And how exactly does Sassy work together with Rarity? She wants to build an assembly line for the gowns! Again not caring what Rarity wants, and only having success in mind, at all costs.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Which won’t happen because of Rarity’s own business decisions that she herself is unhappy with."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''It wont happen because Sassy took 100 orders of the same dress without consulting Rarity. It was a decision of Sassy that Rarity is unhappy with. Sassy could have walked over to Rares and asked: "Is it okay if we take 100 orders of that one dress?" But she took the orders without caring what her boss thinks of it.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Again: I highly doubt that was what Sassy was trying to do. She’s barely given any breathing room in the episode. She just does stuff for the boutique before becoming Rarity’s scapegoat."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Its clear that Sassy did not care what Raritys boutique was supposed to be about. Sassy ignored Raritys needs. Sassy did not want to be part of another failed boutique, she clearly said so in her breakdown, so she took things in her own hooves to make it a financial success. Thats the reason she took that many orders. Sassy wanted to take the road of mass producing the same dress over and over again to make sure that money would flow so she would not lose her job again. But in doing so she actually almost caused the opposite by ignoring her bosses wishes.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">I think the chances are pretty high the same thing happened in her former workplaces, with the difference that unlike with Raritys shop, the situation could not be salvaged.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"This does not match with what Rarity herself said at the start of the episode (“I never could have gotten the boutique ready for the grand opening without the help of my new manager Sassy Saddles.”) Before supply became an issue, Rarity felt as though Sassy had done a lot of work. But if you really want to get into these abstruse details, (Is the property being rented or bought? Who did how much refurbishment to the property? How much did Rarity and Sassy Saddles pay individually?) how much time and work did each of them put into the venture? Also, if it was mostly Rarity who put the business together, wouldn’t the issue of a lack of supply be her fault? Rarity's the supplier after all."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Sure Sassy worked hard to make the boutique ready for the opening, as it is her job, but dont you think that Rarity worked just as hard as she did? Just because Rarity said she coudlnt have finished the place until the opening doesnt mean that Sassy did everything herself. She paid the whole thing with her own money that she worked hard for and that she had saved for just that occasion. '''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''So all the money that Rarity put into that place would have gone to waste if Sassy had run it into the ground. And would not just have been a financial loss, a Boutique in Canterlot was her dream. She would have been emotionally crushed. And if the place would have closed, its doubtful that Rarity could have ever opened another shop in its place again.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''How is it Sassy that has more at stake here? Why would she be the one that loses more from the shop closing, as opposed to Rarity?'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"I would like an explanation for that."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Sassy made Raritys shop something it wasnt supposed to be. It was meant to be a place where the individual gets exactly what it needs. Make everypony beautiful and fabulous individually.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Sassy transformed the whole thing into a factory where the same dresses get manufactured over and over again. No creativity, no passion, no love and care for the individual.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''It goes against Raritys beliefs. The believes of her boss, which is not something you should ignore as an employee.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"It doesn't matter who Rarity works with.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Sassy Saddles was hired to sell dresses in Canterlot. You can't blame her for selling dresses in Canterlot when that was what she was taken on to do.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">It's a bit like blaming your accountant for doing your finances after you hired him to do your finances. If you really enjoy doing your own finances, then don't flip out at him for doing them for you. He hasn't been overstepping his bounds when he did the job he was hired to do. Sure, he might be a bit of a stick in the mud, but he's a professional who did the job he was paid to do. His personal flaws are not the problem compared to your own insecurities."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Sassy Saddles was hired to sell dresses, yes. But not in the way she did it.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">If you get hired by a fancy furniture store that sells really expensive ebony furniture, and you take all that stuff in front of the shop while it rains, make a fleamarket with a 99% sale, you might have sold everything, but you will still get fired.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Sassy didnt sell the dresses the way she was suppose to, she didnt ask Rarity for permission, she didnt ask how many units she would be able to handle, she just walked up to Rarity and told her that she just got 100 orders, and that she just had to deal with that now.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Again, how is Rarity the one that doesnt care about the opinion and well being of others?

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"That was very hypocritical on the other Mane Six's part. Sassy Saddles is selfish and egotistical?"

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Yes, she is. And yes, every mane6 had moments in which she was egoistical, but they learned their lesson in the end, just as Sassy learned hers in this episode.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"But if I wanted to contest this point: I'm not trying to say that Rarity is being disrespectful in a proactive manner. She's not swearing in Sassy's face or actively trying to take her down. I say she's being inconsiderate because Sassy suffers in one form or another from Rarity's actions and attitude."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''The one who suffers is not Sassy. Rarity suffers because of Sassys reckless and careless actions.'''

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''' But i see what you mean now, look at poor, suffering Sassy. The poor thing '''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"I don’t think that’s generosity as much as it’s common sense. If Sassy had been fired, she would have lost a job she genuinely wanted to do through no fault of her own.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">I would like an explanation for that."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Rarity could have just fired her and gotten another salespony, i doubt she would have had much problems getting capable ones, but Rarity didnt do that. Usually, if you ignore the wishes of your boss, take decisions without consulting the one in charge first, try to put finances before what the business you work in is supposed to stand for, and change the philosophy of your workplace around 180 degrees so its not about handcrafted little treasures that are sewn together with love and care, but mass produced samey clothes from the rack, it will get you fired.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"How is Sassy Saddles making decisions "for her without even asking"?"

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''How about taking 100 orders of the same dress without even consulting her boss how she feels about that? Rarity had trust in Sassy, she showed that when she defended her in front of the other mane6, but Sassy took advantage of that trust by deciding over Raritys head how many orders to take. Ignoring how many Rarity would even be able to handle. Sassy even took 100 more orders later, even though it was easy to see that Rarity was not able to handle even the first 100, talk about inconsiderate.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"And why was Rarity upset?

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Because she was starting an impersonal new business that she won't enjoy, which is the central conflict. And because she didn't prepare to adjust to the sudden leap in demand that was obviously coming. Even if Sassy Saddles sold hundreds of different dresses then Rarity would still be overworked trying to scramble on her own to match those orders in time.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">The reasons Rarity gets upset are not a consequence of Sassy Saddles. Rather, it's her humongous lack of business savvy and blind stubbornness. The core conflict is that she is going into this venture for the wrong reasons. She hasn't prepared for and didn't take any steps to increase supply. She doesn't really work with Sassy Saddles. Instead, she broods and pins the blame on her.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Rarity tragically lacks introspection and basic business savviness. This leads her to go in for the wrong reasons, treat others poorly, and make huge fundamental mistakes."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''She now enjoys her business there though. Why is that? We see it in the very next episode. Why is that? Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that it is now run as Rarity imagined it in the first place? Rarity is happy, Sassy is happy. This is how it could have been from the beginning if Saddles didnt just take all of the orders EVER.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">If you have a smallish business like Rarity has, you have two option: either you increase your output, or you limit how many orders you take in.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Sassy clearly thought the first thing would be the thing to do. She didnt care to ask if Rarity could even fulfill that many orders, she just saw the money because she wanted to prevent to be part of another failing business.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Rarity on the other hand didnt want to increase output, because it would mean that she would have to either hire another sewer, or put less time into individual pieces, both mean that her work will decline in quality. And this is something that she is against on a fundamental level. The right choice would have been not taking as many orders, because thats what Rarity, who is the boss of Sassy, would have wanted. But Sassy didnt even ask Rarity and just took all of the orders EVER. Taking the business into a direction Rarity didnt want it to be.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Rarity wouldnt have had to get more raw material if Saddles didnt take all the orders EVER, she would have just worked in her own pace. Its not a lack of business savviness or stupidety that Rarity didnt have enought time or materials to make all those dresses. Rarity is very businesssavvy. The reason for the incredibly demand in raw materials was there to begin with because Sassy took too many orders.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Rarity didnt prepare for this, because it was not how her boutique was supposed to run. There are many businesses like Raritys in the real world that choose to instead of increasing output, limit the amount of orders they take.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"I would love to see the point in the episode where Sassy does that.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Purely unfounded speculation.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Again: I highly doubt that was what Sassy was trying to do. She’s barely given any breathing room in the episode. She just does stuff for the boutique before becoming Rarity’s scapegoat.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">We aren’t given any indication of how these two formed a partnership, or what Sassy’s motivations are."

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<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Sassy Saddles : I have a piece for that!   Assemble the Assembly Line ! You'll never have to sew again!
 * Rarity: What?! No!
 * Sassy Saddles: Yes! Then the Canterlot Carousel never closes! And Sassy Saddles' boutique succeeds!
 * Rarity: Stop! This is not your boutique! And if this is what success in Canterlot looks like, I want no part of it! Now, make up flyers for a going-out-of-business sale! I'm closing Canterlot Carousel!
 * Sassy Saddles: What?! No! Oh, you can't, Rarity! I-I've worked too hard to make this a success! I can't be a part of another failed boutique!"

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<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"And like I said, that’s common sense."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">It wasnt, common sense would have been firing the pony that only is in it to make the boutique successful while not caring about what her boss wishes, and only wants to stroke her own ego after being part of failed business after failed business.

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"You don’t need to keep on repeating Rarity’s motivations, just as I don’t need to keep repeating that those motivations in the episode’s context don’t match with Rarity’s business model, making herself the source of her own distress."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Her motivations match with her business model very well, but they dont match with what Sassy Saddles made out of the Canterlot Boutique because she didnt want to be part of another failed shop. Forcing sales without consideration if Rarity was willing or able to fulfill the roders Sassy took.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Sassy definitely understands that, but Rarity doesn’t understand that sacrificed her own principles when she put herself in this position, seeing as though her principles don’t match her business model."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Like i said, they match very well. A few pieces with maximum care and passion and love put into them, that are her principles. Sassy made a factory out of that because she was scared of being jobless after the boutique would fail, even though there was no reason to think that.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Who sticks to their principles, you said?

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Most of your points revolve around justifying giving no consideration but rather disrespecting and dehumanizing Sassy Saddles, which is not cool. I'm honestly disturbed. Is this how you think people should behave? Most of these defenses center around how Rarity feels about it (just like during the Trixie thing from August) and not about what actually happens. ("Her employee was the one showing no consideration"? Really?)

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">I get it; you're passionate about Rarity. But try not to color the world through her point of view. Protagonist-Centered Morality is a very really thing, and this is a prime example of it."

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Thats rather funny coming from you. Do you think Sassy is the paragon of how an employee should behave? You justify everythign she does by saying that she was hired to sell dresses, but Saddles has no consideration of how her boss actually wants her to sell them.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Newsflash, how Rarity feels about her business is the only thing thats important in this case. She is the boss of Sassy after all. That is how being the boss works.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Rarity is a forgiving employer though, she forgave Sassy that she tried to move Raritys business away from the latters vision for it. She forgave that she almost killed her dream of having a boutique in Canterlot and that she almost caused a huge financial loss to Rares.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">'''Now the boutique runs like it was intended to. Sassy is happy. Rarity is happy. their clients are happy. Everything is like Rarity had envisioned it when she dreamed of opening a shop in the capital of Equestria before Sassy almost took that away from her.'''

<p style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Like i said, it could have been like that from the beginning if Sassy would have cared for how her employer wanted things to be.