Talk:Rarity/@comment-26258430-20151206223533/@comment-27673740-20160328225831

"Also, ObsidianSky, I really don't feel like repeating myself a second time, so I suggest arguing against my points in the more recent reply that has the expand table. That way, I can prevent repeating what I'd already said (I don't want to take all the excessive detail and put it in another comment)."



This is of course a good way to ignore the points i made.



"For the first one, Sassy Saddles acted in a way that Rarity disapproved of (Again, protagonist-centered morality), but this opening day is a time for both of them, and given that Sassy Saddles is in charge of marketing and will be the only pony on site for the future, I'd think that she'd deserve to at least be part of the opening. "



She acted in a way her boss disapproved of. I let you figure out on your own why this is a bad idea. This has nothing to do with protagonist-centered moraliry, but with the fact that you just dont bypass your employer in decision making. Sure Sassy deserved to be part of the opening, and she was, wasnt she? But she put herself in the foreground, which she has no right to do. Raritys shop, her money, her dresses. Sassy is just a paid sales and marketing person.



"Rarity is lost in the moment and just stands back from the door (where most people in the crowd can't see her), reveling in her ego too much to rise to the occasion. Sassy suddenly had to scramble to the door to give a big welcome to the crowd after Rarity got lost in herself and decided to start their big day without Sassy."



Yes, Rarity is lost in the moment, but why do you accuse her of reveling in her ego of just being overwhelmed by such an important moment in her life? And you say that you dont actively twist things the way you want to make Rarity look bad?



"For the second one, that's taken out of context. Whilst Sassy Saddle's marketing skills have typically been top notch (putting on a great performance), this is one time that she clearly slips up (saying that the dress is too complicated to market). Sassy Saddles might seem rude when she cut across Rarity but that's because the show must go on, especially when Rarity starts arguing during the performance."



Sassy did multiple things wrong during the opening. She sure put on a great performance, but instead of putting the pony in the limelight that owns the place and makes all the dresses, she put herself front and center. She made her boss stand in the background and actively antagonized her by naming the dress Rarity made herself, and tell in her face that it needs to be made simpler for mass production in front of the guests.



<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">The fact that she wants to simplify it for ease of production is also a first sign that all Sassy cares for is the financial success of the boutique, and that she doesnt care for Raritys vision, her employers vision, at all.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"As an additional note. It seemed like Rarity was a little unsure about the show that Sassy Saddles was putting on which makes a lack of communication between the two prior to this event rather evident.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">In fact, there not being much stuff to go off of could be used to speak about the relative level of estrangement between the two. On that note, it feels perfectly feasible for Rarity to like Sassy on paper (She hired her "right on the spot" just because of her resumé.), but then when it comes to interacting with her in person, for her to not share the same level/type of enthusiasm."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">There was indeed a lack of communication, but it is Sassys job as an employee to ask what her boss wants of her. She just cant name dresses on a whim and take 100 orders for gowns without consulting her boss.

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"For the third one, that's taken even more out of context. Sassy Saddle puts some banner thing on the wall, Rarity looks out and gets excited about some customers, then Sassy hovers some materials in front of her and goes out and shows the customers the princess dress. I don't really see a problem here. Rarity is in charge of supply, they really need supply, and the customers seem happy whilst they are being served. Don't forget that this song is about Rarity's own feelings and motivations, which give little to no respect or regard to working with others."

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Rarity can do what she wants to, she owns the place. So if she wants to go and meet her customers she can do that. It is not Sassys place to tell her what she can do and not do. Sassy basically told Rarity:"You want to go into the showroom and meet customers? Well, too bad. You need to sew more dresses. Here have some material. And now go back to work while i handle this."

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">You accuse Rarity of having no respect of the feelings of others, but you are okay with Sassy telling her boss that she cant leave her workroom just to mingle a bit with some costomers even though she owns the place?

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Her song was about her own motivations and feelings, yes. So what? Are you telling me the owner of something is not allowed to decide how it is run? Raritys motivations and feelings are all that counts when it comes to her own business.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Sassy Saddles is supposed to sell the products and to make sure that she is sufficiently supplied. For the purposes of this part of the song, that's what she is doing. Sassy Saddles is doing her job (selling) and she's encouraging Rarity to do her job (make dresses)."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Sassy Saddles is supposed to sell products, yes. But only as much as Rarity can handle to make, or wants to make. But she took 100 orders without even asking her boss if she was okay with it out of her desire to make the boutique succeed at all cost.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Sassy also isnt allowed to "encourage" Rarity to do something. You dont encourage your boss to do anything, if your boss wants to speak with the customers, you cant stand in the way and tell him with your gestures that she better gets back to work.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"I said that: "Her impression seemed to be that she was confident that Rarity could provide the supply well. And even then, what is she promising? When is she promising that the dresses will be delivered?""

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">She isnt allowed to decide that on just her impression. An impression can be wrong, and in this case it was absolutely wrong. Sassy should have asked her boss if taking 100 orders would be ok, but she instead just decided that Rarity just needs to make 100 dresses even though she has no business making that decision. And if that was not enough she took another 100 orders later, even though it was clear that Rarity struggled with the first batch already.

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Also, it helps to read what I say, especially this: "Sassy Saddles is very clearly thesalesman, while Rarity is providing the supply, which only causes Sassy’s appearance as being inefficient in the face of all her hard work (single handedly managing a hundred customers in one day, as well as all the well-organized paperwork that she's somehow produced while still providing sufficient advertisement to do all that within the time she had) because of Rarity's incompetence at keeping up the supply. In that case, it's thesupplier's fault, not Sassy's."

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Dont get me wrong, taking a hundred orders is a lot of work, as is doing paperwork. But dont you think that making 100 dresses is much more work?

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">100 dresses she only needs to make because of Sassys incompetence to be a good salesperson. The reason Rarity cannot supply as many dresses as they need is purely because Sassy overstepped her boundaries and took too many orders instead of talking to Rarity about how many she can handle.

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">How is this Raritys fault?

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Sassy generated demand. Rarity was supposed to provide enough supply to meet that demand. Having one pony make all those dresses seems insufficient. Barely being able to make all the dresses is akin to not having enough supply. Rarity, the pony in charge of supply, wasn't prepared for this. She didn't try to make up for that (instead opting to act rather cruel to an innocent co-worker); she's therefore incompetent at her job—Rarity's incompetence is not something you can so easily blame Sassy Saddles for."

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">'''Its pretty easy to blame Sassy for this, because she is at fault. Yes having one pony make those dresses is insufficient, if only Saddles would have taken that into consideration when she took all those orders in.'''

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">'''And how exactly was Rarity cruel? It was Sassy who was the reason that Rarity had to work in a sweatshop, putting out dress after dress. Rarity even defended Sassy at first against the rest of the mane6, probably because she still thought at that point that Sassy cared about the vision Rarity had for her very own business.'''

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"And even then, Sassy offered for Rarity's friends to help, but Rarity was confident enough to decline. It's not Sassy's fault that Rarity couldn't follow up on her own promise."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">The reason Rarity did not ask her friend for help was because of what happened in Rarity takes Manehatten. I for one found it rather heartwarming how Rarity took the lesson she learned in this episode to heart. It had nothing to do with arrogance or false confidence, she simply didnt want to make that error she atoned for in RTM twice.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">And yes, it is Sassys fault. Rarity never promised to make 100 dresses, it was Sassy Saddles that made the decision to promise that many ponies dresses even though she should have known that Rarity cannot deliver them. Because, as you said, its impossible for one pony alone. So why did Sassy take that many orders in the first place?

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"As I already said: "Sassy's impression seemed to be that she was confident that Rarity could provide the supply well. And even then, what is she promising? When is she promising that the dresses will be delivered?"

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Sassy cant act on just impressions, she has to act on what her boss demands of her. Like i already said, she could have asked Rarity is she could handle 100 dresses, but she didnt.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">One pony making all those dresses isn't enough. So... hire more people to make them. Right?

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">So if Sassy takes orders for 10000 dresses for example, Rarity should hire more staff too? Hiring more sewing ponies costs money. And what if the bulding isnt even big enough for more workers, should Rarity expand it? And more staff needs to be supervised, so she needs to hire a foreman.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Do you seriously not see how rediculous this is? Just because Sassy took too many orders and plans on transforming Raritys little boutique into a factory, Rarity should hire more ponies?

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">How about Sassy doesnt overstep her boundaries and takes too many orders instead? Then there would be no need to hire more staff.

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"In fact, I'll go even further with this. Why couldn't have Rarity predicted this? Why didn't she prepare for this? From what I can tell, Rarity had made no efforts to prepare for any increase in demand over what she's used to. It seems odd to me that Rarity wouldn't expect that demand would vastly increase when she opens another shop in the larger, more wealthy capital city. Not only that, the most busy day in a shop's life is, generally speaking, opening day. Even if we give Rarity the extreme benefit of the doubt, she should've expected to at least double her demand (double the amount of shops, double the demand). But it seems like there's no additional help prepared and there's no stockpile of dresses to draw from.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">More shops sell more stuff. Shops in higher-esteemed locations sell more than shops in lower-esteemed locations. People are more interested in new designs than old ones."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">You mean Rarity should have predicted that Sassy takes too many orders for her to handle?

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Rarity was prepared, why do you think she wasnt? But she wasnt prepared for the amount of dresses that Sassy wanted her to produce. If you have a shop that makes custom handmade wares, you usually cannot take too many orders at once, because you can only make so much and still put all the care into production as you want to. For really fancy stores you even get put on a waiting list, and it can take several months until the people in the shop even start to work on your item. This is because putting care and love and skill into something always takes time, and if you take on too many orders at once you cannot put the same care into the items you create that you want to.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Overstatement of the century. Not once did Sassy threaten, intimidate, bully, assault, or forcefully coerce anyone. She was doing her job and trying her best to market the dresses.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">But if we want to be pedantic, what is the "process"? What is every step? If the process includes designing the dresses, then no, Sassy Saddles clearly left that up to Rarity."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Well Sassy clearly bullied Rarity out of meeting with her customers whe she just held the materials in front of her with an ice cold gaze. Her whole body language said:"You have work to do, so you better dont leave that sewing machine."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"And besides, regardless of how Sassy Saddles acted, Rarity still won't be happy with this business because of the business decisions she has made (which you've still yet to address)."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">No, Rarity wont be happy with her business because of the business decisions that Sassy made for her boss even though she had no right to.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Everything Sassy did is rooted in her deep fear of being in another failed business again, i linked her confession in my other post. She doesnt want to feel like it was her fault that the boutiques she was in failed, even though at least in this case it clearly is. Sassy Saddles completely ignores what Raritys boutique is supposed to be about, she only cares for money and success. Thats why she took so many orders, she desperately wants to be successful this time to boost her self esteem. She wants to transform it into a factory, with real assembly lines to pump out dress after dress, she even had the plans to do so already.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"At what point did I say she was faultless? I think you're looking for a flaw that simply isn't there.

<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Just because I seem to disregard what Sassy Saddles has done wrong, it doesn't mean I have. I've only been focusing on Rarity's wrongdoing because I felt like they were much more central to this story. Sassy Saddles is by no means perfect. but her actions are not the source of Rarity's discomfort. That fault lies strictly with Rarity.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Indeed, Sassy Saddles isn't faultless. She should've realized that her partner is an egocentric moron who isn't able to do her job. But I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt; she was busy on the showroom floor doing a very good job. She was focused on doing her thing, whilst Rarity was focused on failing hers. Unfortunately, the focus of the episode and the writing is more on Rarity and how she feels (protagonist-centered morality) than it ever was on her business partner and their relationship."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">It isnt Raritys fault at all. The fault lies with Sassy for not taking into consideration what her boss wants her own business to be like. For putting her own ego over her employer.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">In the very next episode the boutique is just like Rarity imagined it in the first place. Rarity is happy (even though that probably causes you physical pain). Sassy is happy. Their customers are happy. The shop runs well.

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">This is how it could have been from the beginning if Sassy wouldnt have taken things into her own hand for her own gain. Saddles changed the name of the dress without asking. She shoved herself into the foreground during the presentation. She critizised her boss in front of customers. She took on too many orders, and if that wasnt enough she took another hundred later. She wanted to build an assembly line to manufacture dresses. Everything she did was the complete ooposite of what Rarity wanted for her business.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">But Rarity is an egocentric moron for wanting to decide what happens with her own boutique? For not wanting her employee to take the reins and turning her dream into an abomination?

<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Dont make me laugh.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Ironically, that's exactly how Rarity resolves her conflict (by being a brat and projecting her problems onto others). The reason this is self-defeating is because what you gave as statements that can't properly resolve a conflict are exactly what resolve the conflict.

<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Since Rarity's only acting in her best interest, I'd say she's a brat. Because that's exactly what Rarity does."

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<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">'''No, the one acting only in her own interest was Sassy. She was part of failed businesses and didnt want it to happen again. She didnt want to be the cause those businesses failed because of her pride, so she almost took Raritys shop from her and wanted to change it in her own image. A factory that would mass produce dresses made without love or care, just so she could say that her latest workplace was a success.'''

<p align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom:0cm;border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">'''Sassy was the brat. She did not care what her own boss wanted. She only saw her own problems. She was so desperate to not be a failure that is was a self fulfilling prophecy.'''

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">"Also, you didn't address my other points (about how Rarity was indeed showing no consideration or how Rarity's motivations don't match her business model)."

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Like i said, Raritys business model matched very well what she wanted her shop to be, it didnt match Sassys vision of the Canterlot Boutique of course, because it was a sweat shop. A factory. No boutique.

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<p align="LEFT" style="border-style:none;border-width:initial;padding:0cm;line-height:0.69cm;orphans:1;">Sorry to the mods that this is so long, but i cant figure out how to make spoilers to save my life. .-.