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Wikia can allow for our b'crats to hand out bot flags to accounts. I'm actually surprised this isn't done by default, since nothing bad comes out of it.

I think it would be useful for b'crats to be able to hand out bot rights because there are often the case where a user spams the recent changes with mass edits - I'm a perpetrator of this myself and have been warned for it. Users who are flagged with the bot right do not show up in the recent changes so if they want to manually do mass editing, such as image categorisation, they won't show up.

All a user needs to do is ask before they do the mass editing for a bot flag. This differs from the community discussions for bots because all it is doing is stopping them from showing up in the recent changes, the edits are still manual as opposed to accounts which are running an automatic/semi-automatic bot.

Thoughts? It would make manual mass-editing cleaner as well as make it easier for us to grant bot rights.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  19:55, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds awesome, and I have a strange feeling this was inspired by myself. It would allow users to complete mass edits to things like galleries, although it opens the door to edit-boosting. -- Foodbandlt 19:59, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
If a user wants to do a massive edit then we can give him a bot flag for the bot account. But I think we should discuss with the others about whether another bot is necessary. For example we can now temporary add more bots for image categorization, but after that we should probably remove their flags. I am not against extra bot help,I just do now want to give this flag for anyone just to have it without actual using it. Teyandee (Talk) 20:11, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I failed to make that clear - yes, these flags are temporary, once the mass editing streak is over, it can be removed.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  20:12, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Then yes. After b`crats get this right we can handle flag adding by ourselves much easier. Teyandee (Talk) 20:17, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I'd rather hand out bot flags only to dedicated bot accounts and only after a discussion requesting the flag. I don't see the need to make the flag temporary; users who need to make mass edits once can ask a bot holder to do it and people who do it regularly can create a bot account and apply for the flag. --Tulipclaymore 21:09, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
The main point of the bot flag is to not flood the recent changes (and also not be affected by ratelimits). It doesn't have to be applies to only automated/semi-automated editing.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  01:45, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
That main point is also a drawback because it makes whatever bot accounts do just a little less transparent. I imagine that's exactly why giving out bot flags isn't part of the default bureaucrat toolkit, so they're not handed out willy-nilly.
I'm not opposed to wikia giving bureaucrats here that power, but only if there are rules and records are kept. I don't care whether edits are made automatically, semi-automatically or manually, but I don't think it's too much to ask that bot flags only be given to dedicated accounts used only for mass-editing purposes. --Tulipclaymore 02:09, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
@Tulipclaymore, if I understand correctly, bot flag wills still be added only after the discussion. But the adding will be done not by Wikia, but by b`crats which will make it easier. Teyandee (Talk) 05:00, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
To reiterate: I don't have an objection to wikia giving all bureaucrats the power to regulate bot flags on this wiki, provided that there are rules governing the procedure. Those rules must include a public request for the bot flag and the creation of a bot-only account (who can be managed by the account holder however he or she pleases as long as it's stated on the account's user page and in the request discussion). If that is what Callofduty4 meant, fine. But I explicitly don't agree with any notion of giving temporary bot flags to existing accounts, with or without prior discussion. --Tulipclaymore 12:31, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
Mass-edits should be performed on a dedicated account, separate from the regular, manual account. This makes it much easier to know whether an edit is manual or not, and correct bot mishaps. Mixing manual and automatic edits will lead to manual edits going unlisted on "recent changes" and/or automatic edits appearing in "recent changes". Regardless, handing out bot flags without community discussion is a bad idea that gives bureaucrats power at the expense of the community.
Keep bots and regular accounts separate, keep bot flag assignment subject to discussion. There is no reason for bureaucrats to assign any rights without community discussion. –Throwawaytv 07:56, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

-sigh-  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  03:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

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