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There seems to be confusion and disagreement on how to format the Appearances sections on articles.

My confusion started when Throwawaytv removed the verbose version on the Mayor's page.

I've seen 3 types of Appearances sections:

  • Verbose: every episode mentioned and linked (e.g., Granny Smith).
  • Drop Down: a drop-down list that specifies which episodes and when (e.g., Dinky Doo)
  • Table: A table of yes/no/background in each cell for the episode (e.g., Big Macintosh). Based on Character appearances page.

Kinrah suggested that the Drop Down was for background characters. Specific times can be listed if the appearances are brief. He also said he thought Throwawaytv tried to start the Table variety as the standard, but that it was dropped.

What is your opinion on how we should format this section? Can we create a standard? My personal recommendation is drop down for background characters (per Kinrah's logic) and the table format for all others, specifically those listed on Character appearances.

EvergreenFir 22:03, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comment Section

I agree with you EvergreenFir, it should be general, I like how Big Mac's article looks with that Appearance template. It's Some Mysterious Force! (leave a message) 22:05, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

There's a fourth type (which is also the worst); look at Angel's infobox.
I'm against listing appearances just for the sake of listing appearances; it should always serve an informational purpose. The Mayor has fairly substantial roles in every episode she's appeared in, and those appearances are described in prose in the article. There doesn't need to be an additional list of episodes. The same goes for Angel (who has two lists of episodes plus the more detailed description).
But it's not true for background ponies, who appear a lot, but mostly in the background without doing anything particularly notable. A detailed drop-down table with all of their appearances in addition to a prose section describing the most interesting ones is therefore perfectly alright. --Tulipclaymore 22:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

The Angel way is the easiest way, it would be best to standardise on that. I like the Big Mac way very much but it's labor intensive. –Throwawaytv 22:56, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
Tulip: for clarification, do you like the Big Mac way and the Background way (used separately)? EvergreenFir 04:54, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
The reason I don't much like the way it's done on Angel is because a list of appearances should serve the purpose of giving an overview of how many and which episodes a character has appeared in. Sure, a long tail of words in the infobox does that and it doesn't require a whole lot of maintenance, but it's neither easy on the eyes nor easy to read. If that information absolutely has to be on the page twice, then I much prefer the Big Macintosh way for characters where taking one look to see which episodes they appeared in is actually useful (Luna? not so much). I would be okay with rolling Big Mac type tables out on all other pages except for background characters, who already have a bigger table of their own and who need it, too. For characters who have only appeared a handful of times (like Opal, who under my proposal below would not get a spot on the bigger Appearances list) I wouldn't prohibit creating a similar table, I just don't think it's necessary. For characters who've only appeared once or twice it's definitely a waste of time. --Tulipclaymore 23:01, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Throwy: I know the Big Mac way is harder, but if we get 5-10 users to do it and well, we don't rush it, you think it would be possible? Or you have some idea in mind that works better?  OC.gifForce talk CM.png 00:02, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that difficulty is the problem, as Force said, if we can get a few users doing it right it would be done in no time at all. I would have to agree with the Dinky Doo examples for background ponies, seeing as they have no speaking parts (most of the time), and are only seen for a few seconds. Then the Big Mac example would work for any other ponies that have some sort of speaking parts or major parts in the episode. -- Foodbandlt 00:26, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Per YBMN table: Do we need specify the appearance time or simply put one of 4 letters? Teyandee (Talk) 05:48, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Usually you only specify for background and mentions with times or how they were shown, like Zecora in Return of Harmony, part 2. Otherwise, it's just the one letter. FANMADE Pinkie portal front by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8Lord of Shadows Words mean nothing!FANMADE Pinkie portal back by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8 05:51, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
For characters where a simple letter will be enough, we can think of a template that requires a string(s) with those letters and creates a table like the on in Big Mac article. Teyandee (Talk) 06:32, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Pets

Recently, Dogman15 has put a pets appearance table on Character appearances. I thank him for doing that, but do we really need it? The closest appearing pet next to Angel is Opal, and she only appears five times. FANMADE Pinkie portal front by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8Lord of Shadows Words mean nothing!FANMADE Pinkie portal back by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8 19:54, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Considering there is so few appearances of pets in the series, I think it would be fine to leave it at their individual pages. If anyone were looking for appearance info on the pets, they would easily be able to find it on the pet's individual page. -- Foodbandlt 19:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I don't really ever want to specify hard limits, but I also don't want tables consisting of a sea of red with a few green or yellow islands scattered around, so it may be unavoidable. I'm thinking of the number 7: to get a row on Character appearances, a character must a) be a scripted character (so no background ponies except possibly Derpy) and b) have at least seven appearances (background or full) across the 52 episodes of the first two seasons. That should keep the tables more or less the way they are now except for the elimination of Luna and the addition of Angel. These inclusion rules would be temporary until the master appearances list is done and we'll have to think of another way to present that amount of data. --Tulipclaymore 22:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support I think Tulip's idea strikes a nice balance. Perhaps the same can be extended to ponies that straddle the background/secondary role? EvergreenFir 23:28, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Yes I think that that would work nicely
Pufferfugu 17:23, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Decision?

It appears that more discussion is needed. However, for characters appearing on the Character appearances page (except the pets) is there support for using the Table model found on Big Macintosh's page? This would replace any existing forms of appearance listing. I humbly request your opinion below. (If I am premature in asking for a decision, tell me). EvergreenFir 23:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support EvergreenFir 23:36, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support I support the idea, Big Mac's appearance looks good, if we split responsibilities this could save time.  OC.gifForce talk CM.png 00:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It seems that this is the consensus: 1) Only scripted characters who appear in at least seven episodes are eligible for Character appearances. 2) Big Macintosh-style tables can, but do not have to, be added to all pages of characters who appear in several episodes. Such a table would replace a then-redundant list of episodes the character appears in (whether it is in an infobox or in a section of its own), but would not replace the more elaborate tables that can be found on the background pony pages (because the latter offer more information than just y/n/b/m). --Tulipclaymore 23:18, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan! EvergreenFir 03:28, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
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You can use the mouse-over text to include all the information from the elaborate tables, though it does make editing less accessible:
Thanks for doing this, it's a lot of work! –Throwawaytv 09:07, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
It may be possible, but it's far from practical. Random Lyra example:
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I like consistency as much as anybody, but that's one case where I can tolerate two sets of appearances tables on the same page - one with pretty colours for a quick overview, one Ctrl+F'able one with more details. The elaborate tables are already not particularly easy to read when there's a lot of information; there's no need to exacerbate that further by cramming everything into alt text. --Tulipclaymore 09:25, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Yup, that's bad. Better to keep the tables. –Throwawaytv 10:16, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I added tables to all on the Character appearances page except for Derpy. I thought we might keep her's as it is because of all the detail, but Throwy's above thing about the comments would work. I'll get to that soon. EvergreenFir 03:45, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

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