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I believe that all current admins on this wiki should have bureaucrat rights. I believe this because we have all earned the trust of having admins rights and maintained that trust. (one example would be able to give other users chat moderator rights which is given to us) so having bureaucrat rights is ultimately no different as ALL discussions must be made via the forums. Especially for those admins who have been on this wiki for a year or more now, they have been trusted with such rights for now a long period of time and there's no reason for them to lose them. Having bureaucrat rights would also help speed things up should the small number of bureaucrats right now go inactive when rollback, image control or sysop requests appear and the people who request those rights pass their request. Should a bureaucrat ever abuse their status, a decrat request can be made for Staff to do this process, but the chances of that happening would be very slim. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 21:13, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Symbol support vote Support Nominator. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 21:15, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support I see no problem with this at all. 6d9b956b91e0c92565e2a90a818bee37-d5gij3r.gifAppleJon-Talk 21:20, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support Per Blue, it seems like a good idea.  OC.gifForce talk CM.png 21:21, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support Makes sense. Perhaps it could be refined down to at least the current admins we have at the moment. (for now) B0lGGoQ.gifOz   21:22, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol neutral vote Neutral Maybe a couple sysops to bureaucrats but now I think of it, I'm not really bothered about it anymore. B0lGGoQ.gifOz   15:52, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose - the distinction is there for a reason. Maybe admins should have the ability to add users to imagecontrol and rollback, but that's a separate discussion. If there are current admins that you believe deserve bureaucrat rights, nominate them specifically. There is no point in doing a blanket promotion. Others with more experience with this matter may be able to go into more detail. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 21:44, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote oversat Vehement Oppose - While I'm fine with how you're willing to help, I must admit that there really is no need for more bureaucrats with the activity of the current bureaucrats fine as is. Bureaucrat is a very high position to be in and there's no need to give it out if there's well, no need. In other words, bureaucratic rights are not given out unless there is an explicit need to. There is not an explicit need at the moment. --Guitar t-boneTalk to AJ!h30uB.gif 21:53, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
As stated, I believe this is a more efficient way to go about such things listed because this does not fall under trust as "ALL discussions must be made via the forums". 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 21:58, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
And as I stated, Bureaucratic rights are not given without explicit need. Just to make a (quote), "more efficient way to go about such things" does not constitute an explicit need. --Guitar t-boneTalk to AJ!h30uB.gif 22:02, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
The more the better I'd say, even more so when it doesn't fall under trust. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 22:10, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Per Bobo, they're different ranks for a reason, I would say we should just promote 1 to 3 admins to b-crats, but all of the admins? No. -- qJENjks.gifレ∆ㄅrtVOpOl.png 22:59, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose - There's no need to do that at all. If you want someone to be a bureaucrat, nominate them individually.  Food 25px-Surprise.png  23:04, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
@ Dr. Las Moore, They're different ranks yes, but the added power doesn't fall under trust like going from a chat mod to an admin does. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 23:09, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well that is true, Bluey, I would just have to go with Food and Bobo, nominate them individually.  qJENjks.gifレ∆ㄅrtVOpOl.png 23:57, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment Comment What about nominating one new B-Crat then? Since Teyandee is gone we need a suitable replacement to fill in the position, we have one less B-crat at the moment.  OC.gifForce talk CM.png 00:12, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
In a different forum, of course. Any admin can be nominated.  Food 25px-Surprise.png  00:14, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment Comment One thing I wish for is for people to understand my reasoning behind how an admin becoming a bureaucrat requires no more trust as all obtained power can only be used when things pass/fail in forums. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 00:20, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Per Las, T-bone, and Bobogoobo Yo buddy, still alive? (talk) 00:25, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote oversat Strong oppose Per Bobogoobo.  ColgatecityTalkContrib 01:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote oversat Strong oppose I see where you make points about admins needing trust in the community to be admins anyways, but this is not a good idea. Bureau's should be few in number, so as overabuse is not a problem. All you have to do is leave a message on one of the bureau's talk pages, and 90% of the time they will respond. This is unneeded, to be honest. FANMADE Pinkie portal front by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8Lord of Shadows Words mean nothing!FANMADE Pinkie portal back by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8 02:13, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose It would be better to make 1 or 2 more bureaucrats than every admin a bureaucrat. Our current bureaucrats are pretty active anyway.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  14:42, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose. Even with Teyandee on break, 3 is plenty; I certainly don't think we should quadruple that number. There are wikis where bureaucrats play a very active role as bureaucrats (as opposed to administrators with seldom-used additional responsibilities), but we're not that kind of wiki. --Tulipclaymore (talk) 15:42, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Per other opposition. --MLGisNot4Me talk 12:39, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Per other reasons for opposition mentioned in this thread - they're distinct rights levels for a reason. -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 15:59, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment Comment I think it's safe to close this now. 600px-Fluttershy_for_bluesir.pngBluesir 17:17, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

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