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Chat Moderator Eval 2015

Happy Christmas all! I hope you've had a great christmas. Following a recent proposal, the general consensus was to do another chat moderator evaluation. This evaulation is discussion based, you can of course still use the Oppose, Neutral and Support templates to get your views across but these must be supported by fair reasoning and open to discussion. Any templates used with little reasoning or no discussion will not be used in the final conclusion.

Hint - To avoid getting into edit conflicts and to avoid loosing all your discussion, I would personally recommend editing user by user.

Mods - For obvious reasons, don't support yourselves.

Kind regards, 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:30, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

343 TheGuiltyProphet

  Strong support Definitely a capable mod. Generally active, does his job well, and is a committed and contributing member of the wiki. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:25, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support 343 is reliable, and is fairly active. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Strong support Per Madness http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:15, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per EHAN and Madness http://i.imgur.com/DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)http://i.imgur.com/uFz3Sbv.gif 15:14, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per Fennec http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Strong oppose Absolutely not. For all of his editing and semi-decent enforcement of the rules, I have a huge issue with how 343 tends to act. Only recently, he engaged in an argument in the chat with another user. He called said user out, told them to stop.. but continued arguing with them. Do we really want a moderator who goes against his own word? In addition to that, he basically tells off a user for posting their input without much discussion, yet when another user does the same on another discussion, he immediately turns around and states he is "allowed a say in any forum like anyone else" and to "please do not tell users to go elsewhere with their opinions". Is this not an act of hypocrisy? Personally, I think 343 should work on his skill in terms of dealing with situations before he tries to pull huge stunts like this and I do not believe he should continue being a moderator. --Nachtide I ran away from the pain- always breaking down inside 22:26, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you really have a way with words and it's very interesting how you post this very soon after having a disagreement with me. The fact you refer to them as stunts just shows how riddled with bad faith you seem to be, may I just add that what happened with AngelJay, you joined chat and made an assumption as to what was going on in a space of a few minutes. AngelJay got banned for ignoring my warnings and not by me. i made an appeal to get her unbanned so may I suggest you look at the whole situation. You can see from the logs why I done what I done. You're judging my entire quality of moderating based on one incident? How about all the times I do things right? We are humans. Everytime I have left the Wiki people always tell me I'm a good moderator and someone they look up to, I'm appalled my entire performance of two years is being judged on one occasion. You told me in the other forum to take my opinion elsewhere or "don't say anything". I stand by what I say, it is not your place to state where I voice my opinion. I don't tell people off, I advise them that if they just use the template with no backing, it will be discounted. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 17:31, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose 343 may be active but I do agree with a lot of what Nachtide has said, he does let his opinion influence his actions a lot and can cause conflict against another users opinion. http://i.imgur.com/b7Dj4GJ.png AngelJay · Talk 

Strong oppose Judging from the information above I have to tend to agree with Nachtide and AngelJay http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Strong oppose Per Nach. http://i.imgur.com/uIC7NvG.pngCel ^Talk http://i.imgur.com/2OIZXMW.png 14:38, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Support That so many are falling on one unfortunate incident and a single user's situation to oppose 343's modship is greatly disconcerting to me. I have been a regular of the chat for two years. 343 has shown understanding, willingness to act, a sense of what needs improvement, and the initiative to go about improving it. He is open to feedback and makes that known. He is personable and welcoming to all, including newcomers; I should know, because that was one of the first things I noticed when I first peeked into the chat. There are rooted reasons why 343 is trusted with as many responsibilities as he is. They are not to be trammeled by one unlucky argument based on his going about an improvement forum. Apologies and open-mindedness from both sides are owed here. Not the demotion of a moderator who, in this user's sentiment, is one of the wiki's most to be emulated.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 18:06, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comment I have mostly stayed away from this mess of a forum, as I have no intention of throwing my hat into the ring. Something has to be said here, on this portion especially. What I am seeing here is not discussion, it's biased, baseless arguments. I don't always agree with 343, far from, and I hate this entire forum to begin with, but I am not taking my anger out on 343 because of that. 343 has made some questionable decisions in the last few months, and that is a problem. But this is not the way to go. All of the opposing votes and even the support votes are piss-poor. The support votes go into no detail and the tirade against 343 is so filled with malice that it is sickening. Now I see why the mod eval was such a terrible idea. There is no discussion, only personal opinion and votes that mean nothing. Terrible display, especially on this mod's portion. Just terrible.  Unknown^Prodigyhttp://i.imgur.com/OoYA0kr.gif 19:50, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Err, why should i say something that's already been said, again. And also, if you are looking for a detailed and well written explanation, then you are not to look at me because i suck at these stuff. So yea, excuse me if i angered you in any way (pokerface) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   20:35, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, if you cannot give a detailed and well-written explanation, then you have no business in this forum. It is a discussion. Your input is only meaningful if you have something to add. Parroting someone else and/or offering a wimpy "I agree with X" amounts to a bid at boosting the value of another user's input, which is not how this works. Arguments are judged by their own merit, not by the number of contributors supporting them. As many users have pointed out thus far, this forum is not for voting. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 23:09, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about myself, i wont really do it again then (shrug) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   11:11, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Support Has been a great help to me in the past, and a great contributor to the wiki. Been here long enough to know all rules and such. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:20, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Aerostar

Support - Aero has always been a fantastic, fair and reliable moderator and I see no reason personally as to why they shouldn't be a moderator. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:32, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support - Aero's a great mod. She's greatly reliable, and shows no practically no bias, which is a great feat as a mod. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support She's in chat fairly often, and she upholds the rules well. Definitely reliable to have around. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:25, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support In chat often and is a nice mod to have, basically what the others said above me. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:17, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Aero's an amazing mod, and she's pretty active too. http://i.imgur.com/DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)http://i.imgur.com/uFz3Sbv.gif 14:13, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Support Active, knows the rules well, and enforces them. Great job!! (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:21, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

CelestiaOfEquestria

Oppose - Questionable behaviour on multiple occassions as seen from their talkpage. User also seems to forget rules of the chat quite a fair bit and is often reminded by administrators and other moderators about the rules. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:39, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support - Cel's obviously got some problems with taking that chat so seriously, but I've seen multiple enough times where he's done his job well, and can get serious when he wants to. He just needs to do that a bit more. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Weak support Enforces the rules of the chat but once in a while will end up bending those rules. A decent amount of activity keeps my opinion higher; however I'd like to see some more improvement in overall behavior. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:32, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Per 343. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Oppose In addition to what 343 has said, I would point out that this moderator was a member of Moonshine's clique who has displayed preferential treatment towards specific users, made light of criticism of these users' behavior, and brought external romantic problems into such discussions as Smith B.'s vetting forum in order to protect old moderators and attack new hopefuls. I have little faith in this user. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 10:34, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Comment Literally what. http://i.imgur.com/uIC7NvG.pngCel ^Talk http://i.imgur.com/2OIZXMW.png 13:23, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - I believe they are referring to the part where you mentioned "a volatile relationship". 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 19:34, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Comment TIL I'm not allowed to oppose someone from becoming a mod when they were in a situation where they were a hair away from being banned, as well as the user that I'm claimed to be in some secret cereal box prize club dedicated to opposing users she has personal issues with, due to the both of them bringing their conflicts and relationship quarrels into the main chat constantly. I also learned that the definition of mod discussion involves voting and flogging users as if it was a pseudo-demotion forum. I have little faith in your judgement if you're just going to make false accusations. Also, don't you guys have anything better to do on Christmas break? http://i.imgur.com/uIC7NvG.pngCel ^Talk http://i.imgur.com/2OIZXMW.png 00:26, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

I never said I agree with what was written. Just elaborating. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 00:34, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Enforces rules pretty nicely most of the times, though he does have a bit of 'history'. Basically what Madness said http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:20, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Comment Doing away with the vote icon since it amounts to nothing anyway. 343 and Guildmaster bring up valid points. I like to see mods addressing a certain behavior when other chat users are complaining about it; Cel tends to bend the rules himself, and this has merited warnings from admins and other moderators. The whole Moonshine drama aside, there was a more recent instance when several chat users came to Shadowgallade's apology blog (now deleted) and posted a slew of disparaging comments. Cel staunchly defended the "jokes" despite protest from a few others, including Shadowgallade himself. I have yet to see this user respond to criticism with anything other than silence or biting retort. Though I have nothing against Cel personally—he's not incapable of administering a deserved kick or ban—I look askance at the shoddier examples he has set for users and other moderators.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 19:03, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose As per 343   http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/qwdk7U3.png http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.png   23:01, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose Sometimes I am questioned by things you do and say haha (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:26, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Cherno Alpha

Oppose - ITB is a good moderator but their attendance has dropped so much and I don't see them anymore. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 15:09, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Sadly ITB isn't really active anymore, so I have to oppose it. ITB, please come back. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Weak oppose Like the others said. When he's on, I know him as a capable moderator. However, it's been ages since I've seen him last, basically months. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:38, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose A nice moderator, but i haven't seen him for a while soo. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:21, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose User isn't really active anymore. http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Comment Please see my comment below so I don't repeat it here. Thanks! 07:05, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Dusk Shine

Support - I don't see any reason as to why Dusk shouldn't be a moderator. They are active in chat and enforce the rules well. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:40, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Maybe I should come on more in the middle of the night, but I don't see Dusk doing much in chat. I see him sit there, but I not really doing much. But when he does enforce rules and all, he does fine. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support I see him around quite a bit during the night shift. Keeps watch and holds down the fort. It's usually quiet at night, but he definitely keeps the peace. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:41, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Comment EHAN most of the time the chat goes without a mod for 3 hours during the "Graveyard shift" until one of the UK users come on Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Oppose Per Madness. He is also not very active when he is on the chat.Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Support The guy doesn't talk too much, but I see some cracking down every now and then. Even so, simply having someone online at such hours is a good deterrent in its own right. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 10:39, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Enforces the rules even though when i see him, he doesn't talk too much. Then again, at the time i visit the chat in the afternoon its simply empty. So i just think as he is trying to pass the time etc. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:24, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

EHAN

Support - I don't see any reason as to why EHAN shouldn't be a moderator. They enforce rules well. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:43, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support - EHAN does his job well, but I don't see him on that much. Not inactive, but not all that active. He may pop in for ten minutes or so, but that's all I really see. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Strong support 10/10 best mod should be promoted to king of all mankind. Source:EHAN http://i.imgur.com/b7Dj4GJ.png AngelJay · Talk 

Comment - There is a reason why we have strict guidelines in place and it's to prevent things like this from being counted and this Wiki has a history of vote abuse; please reconsider this post as in this current state, it will not counted. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 21:43, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose - EHAN has been a mod since November 21, 2014 and out of all the mods has the smallest ban log not counting requested bans out of all the mods. I just find having EHAN as a mod is pointless. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Support EHAN is definitely capable of enforcing the rules and listening to reason when given. So i dont really see a reason to why demote him (shrug) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support I don't believe EHAN is inactive enough for it to count against him. He is outgoing and mods fairly when online. This in mind, a short ban log should be a good thing.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 19:12, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Not on chat as much I guess, but recently he has and when a problem arises, it is taken care of. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:31, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

General Twilight Sparkle

Oppose - Sorry Gin, your activity has just gone next to nothing though this is my only concern, so if you were to come back and become more active, you'd have no oppose from me. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:34, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't really know the user, and how they do their job, but I have to oppose due to inactivity. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose Haven't seen in chat in ages, and even when I have, memories are foggy at best. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose User is inactive hasn't been on in 25 weeks. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Oppose Havent seen him in a while. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Juan The American Brony

Weak oppose - I barely see you anymore personally and your activity has dropped massively but you haven't just vanished completely like some of the others, hence the weak. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:38, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Per 343 basically. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Juan seems pretty active to me (granted I just came back from a long hiatus from the Wiki) and he does his job quick and well when here in my opinion Valkryie247 (talk) 20:38, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Capable moderator, friendly user, but activity in chat isn't as constant as it could be. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:50, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Per Ehan Juan is on about maybe once every two weeks. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png 07:26, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral Per EHAN, except that i cant exactly decide. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:31, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Juan is a good mod, friendly user he has also became more active in the past few days. http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Support Per Thuggle (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:32, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

KawaiiKame

Support - For a while, UT was very strict and warning for things I don't think should be warned for but this has changed and I now see no reason as to why they shouldn't be a moderator. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support - A year ago I thought UT was a bit to strict. Now I think he's one of the best mods we have. Very kind user, knows the rules well, and has no bias. Very responsible and very reliable. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Per 343 and Mdns, he's a very kind user and takes action reasonabely and quickly x3 Valkryie247 (talk) 20:39, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support Could be just a tad more active, but other than that a perfectly competent mod overall. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk 

Neutral Didn't see him in action, minly due to me sometimes going AFK while in chat or timezones (awk) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:33, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Have not seen him on as much lately, maybe it is just bad timing on my end, but he is a very good mod and a nice person. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:34, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Lieutenant Fony Pony

Support - I don't see a reason why not, enforces rules fairly and is active. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:53, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support - Fony's on often, but I don't really see her enforce the rules too much, and sometime isn't sure what to do. This might be outdated information, and if so, I'm sorry ahead of time, and correct me if I'm wrong. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Nothing wrong with the user's behavior or their capabilities as far as I'm concerned. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  21:03, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Per Madness. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:37, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Per the other weak supports (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:35, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Mistmane

Support - Enforces rules to a fair standard and activity has returned to a nice level. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:53, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Mist does her job fine, and is now active. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Weak support I personally haven't seen this recent activity to much extent but I know her from past experience as a competent moderator. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  21:12, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral Again, haven't seen her in action (awk) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:39, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per 343 and Madness (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:36, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Nihilus Nix Naught

Support - I don't see a reason why not, enforces rules fairly and is active. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:53, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support - I don't see Nix on that much, but when I do, he does his job fine. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Weak support Per above; valid moderating ability, but I don't see him much so he could be just a little more active in my opinion. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  21:42, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Per EHAN http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:44, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak support Per EHAN Nix is using WiIlow http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Weak support Not as active as past times. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:39, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Novabomb1

Support - Enforces the rules to a fair standard, I don't see why they shouldn't be. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:49, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support - Nova does his job crazy well, and is strict with trolls and persistently disruptive users, but is very laid-back in the casual sense. He has a great balance. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Per 343 and Mdns Valkryie247 (talk) 20:26, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support To put it simply: very active, very friendly, very capable. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  21:43, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support Amazingly active, friendly and good at enforcing the rules http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:47, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support He does well, and means well. Even though i've had problems with him in the past, he's still a good mod.   http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/qwdk7U3.png http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.png   23:04, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per all of the above ;) (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Pony and meatball sub

Oppose - Sorry Pony, like Gin, your activity has just dropped so much. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Per 343. I don't see you on much. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose Per 343. When you're on it is only for a short period of time Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Neutral Agreed with the others; should be more active, but I know you do your job very well and I have, on occasion, seen you around as of late. http://i.imgur.com/MqWwe8s.gif EHAN ^talk  20:58, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose Enforces the rules and pretty friendly, but her activity has dropped by a mile, sorry Pony. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk  06:50, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Pyrrha Omega

Weak oppose - Good moderator, very good infact but their activity is just not there anymore. I don't see them attend. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 15:13, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - I never really knew the mod when they were active, but I oppose due to their inactivity. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose- Omega has left the wikia Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Oppose Per Thuggle. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:55, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Rainbow LSD Gorilla

Neutral - Whilst I think Haed is a good moderator, their general attitude to being a moderator has changed a lot an I find myself now having discussions about them leaving/removing their own rights and I'm wondering if they even want to be a moderator. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:46, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral - Per 343 basically. I question your judgement a lot. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Neutral - Per 343. --Maud Max (talk) 13:52, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Support While I know Haed to have an occasionally precarious view on the modship, I don't think that's reason to deny his rights just yet. Save for one ancient instance I've never seen him lose his cool, and he mods fairly. Should he choose to hang up his hat, that's his own decision.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 06:38, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per Klepto http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:56, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

{[Support|Weak}} Has had slip ups in the past but come on, a lot of us have. Does a good job modding though. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:42, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Seaswirl10

Weak support - Sea is a good moderator and I would have no worries except for the fact that his activity has been on the decline for a while now and they don't seem to enjoy chat now some of the older users are no longer around. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:50, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose - I don't see Sea on much anymore. And when they're on, it's for a very brief time. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose - Per Madness. User only joins for about 4 minutes then leaves. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Weak support Per 343 http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:58, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose Per Madness, Thuggle. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:43, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Smith B.

Support - No reason springs to mind as to why this user isn't a suitable moderator, they enforce rules well and are very active. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Does his job fine, and is active. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support - Does his job, reasonable user, although I haven't seen him as of late. (granted I haven't been around as of late) Valkryie247 (talk) 20:22, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support Definitely capable, and a friendly user http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   06:59, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Strong support Per 343 and Valkryie http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Strong support He's a friendly, all-around, trustworthy user. He's helped me through some tough times on Chat. He was made for Mod ship.   http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/qwdk7U3.png http://i.imgur.com/XvHvVrr.png   23:06, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Support Definitely active enough, knows the rules well. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:44, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Soap Shadow

Support - Very active and enforces the rules fairly in my opinion, I don't see a reason as to why they shouldn't be a moderator. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:47, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - I'm sorry Soap. But I question your motives quite a lot. I see you with an attitude that isn't very suitable with a moderator when I see things frustrate you, and on many occasions I've seen you not act upon disruption fast enough, and also has seemed confused in certain situations with what to do. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose -I'm sorry Soap. But Per Madness Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Support Not sure what the above users are even talking about. "Motives"? The guy is a little slow to the trigger, but there is still an important niche for this user, much like there is one for Dusk Shine. This one definitely belongs in the moderator group. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 00:01, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support From what I've seen of Soap, he's a fair enforcer of the rules. And I think we've had this talk several times before: "not acting upon disruption fast enough" and "confusion" are fragile reasons for opposing modship.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 01:59, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral Same reason as the other neutrals i did above. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   07:03, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per 343, Nokti and GG. http://i.imgur.com/DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)  http://i.imgur.com/uFz3Sbv.gif 14:52, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral I do not believe I know much about you therefore I will not pick a side here. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:45, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

StephOfTheEast

Oppose - Haven't seen them in years. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 15:13, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Very inactive. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose - User is inactive Thugglehttp://orig11.deviantart.net/4f17/f/2013/097/7/2/princess_pinkie_pie_by_raccoon478-d60o4z6.png07:20, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose http://orig05.deviantart.net/8f03/f/2014/033/8/e/masked_matterhorn_flying_by_botchan_mlp-d74u0b3.gifChoongie  ^talk 

There is a reason we have strict guidelines in place as per my above comment and what I have said in the opening of the forum. Please amend this as it won't be counted in its current state. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 10:13, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Didnt see him in a while http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   07:04, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

SublimePie

Support - Been a moderator a while now, enforces rules to a fair standard. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:50, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Per 343. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Per 343 http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   07:06, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per 343 http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif--15:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

The Candlekeeper

Oppose - Good mod but no activity anymore, sorry Candle. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 15:13, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Per 343. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Oppose - Per 343. Maud Maxhttps://derpicdn.net/img/2015/11/29/1032589/large.png

Weak oppose An amazing mod, but its sad that he's been away for a while. Sorry Twinsy. http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   07:07, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - Per 343  The Candlekeeper ^talk   http://i.imgur.com/NLhIbvF.png   00:12, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

UnknownProdigy

Support - New to the moderating team but hasn't shown anything that would make me question his position anyway. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 14:41, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Does his job pretty well, and is very active. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png

Support Is around as much as needed, and from what I've seen enforces the rules swiftly Valkryie247 (talk) 20:24, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Support  An active and capable mod http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   07:08, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Support Per 343 and Valk http://orig12.deviantart.net/f357/f/2014/076/1/7/maud_pie__walking__by_anonycat-d7acvio.gifDashingChicken ^talk http://orig02.deviantart.net/36f5/f/2012/182/e/4/runrunrun_photo_finish__by_neriad-d55lksq.gif

Support Been fine so far. (   DCLXVI Rebels of Discord  http://i.imgur.com/y5WKyC3.png ^talk 05:46, January 2, 2016 (UTC))

Other Discussion

After some careful and long thought, I've come to the conclusion that I refuse to take part in this, for a variety of reasons. Admittedly, I have not checked out the discussion prior to this, but even so, my opinion still stands. Why are we evaluating every single moderator, when most of them are doing a pretty swell job as is? I mean, if we're seriously discussing the possibility of demoting people, surely it'd be a much wiser idea to set up a Demotion Thread for the said users, instead of making every moderator deal with it... --Nachtide I ran away from the pain- always breaking down inside 21:04, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Well, this was never mentioned during the discussion; it was felt that this should be the case. It's not really a case of every moderator dealing with it since many of the moderators supported this idea. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 21:39, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Did they?      22:37, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Yep. when I went and spoke to everyone both privately and in main chat, most were in support.I don't speak on their behalf however but even so, people had plenty of chance to Oppose the notion of this. There was one Oppose in that forum.This is something that should have been raised a lot sooner and not two weeks after the idea was proposed.343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 22:50, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

If you speak in private to people, and you then make a public statement without any sort of co-authored word from those you have apparently spoken to, then you have spoken on their behalf, whether or not you intended to, and whether or not the other people consented to such.      23:34, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who you meant by "everyone" but I've know nothing about this or was told anything about this. You always seem to single out the entire wikia and only mention how chat is going. Seaswirl10 ^Talkhttp://i.imgur.com/MDrQPxP.gif 02:10, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Well yes, you wouldn't know because your activity on chat has dropped massively as seen on the above comments. Exclude the entire Wiki? That's a ludicrous statement. I always speak to several people before posting any forum. I wish people would stop pointing the finger at me. Everyone I spoke to wanted this and that was about 5 or 6 users. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 02:15, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Then those people should be speaking for themselves. Instead, it seems like you're shoving words down others' throats- I'm not accusing you of this, but that does appear to be the case. If 5 or 6 users really did say something, then they should speak below instead of you speaking for them. Also, not wise to point out lacking members' activity. Not cool, man. --Nachtide I ran away from the pain- always breaking down inside 02:21, December 27, 2015 (UTC)0

Sea said he didn't know about it, a discussion happened on main and due to his activity being very low at the moment, it's only logical he wouldn't of heard about it. I answered his question. Many of them did speak up in the original proposal forum and may I suggest in future if you don't want something to happen, state before it happens, not after. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 02:25, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Comment Isn't this thread for reaffirmed support and constructive criticism? Its first purpose is evaluation and discussion, not purge by vote. Admittedly, the vote icons are confusing, often misused, and coming across instantly as, well, cold votes—counters rather than headers of useful input. If a user has nothing to be ashamed of, then of course the community won't oppose his modship. This is an opportunity to voice constructive criticism for that user, and meaningless flak is meaningless anyway. In short, everybody should come at this forum with an open mind, and nobody needs to fear anything unless there is a consistent issue being brought up.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 02:40, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly that Klep. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 02:42, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

First off, I was in the hospital (i.e. no internet access) during the majority of late November / early December, so I was not able to comment on the proposal for this. Either way, bringing other users who you claim have spoken isn't making your argument valid at all. I believe that moderators should have their own demotion forum by other users if there's such a problem. I completely disagree with this forum- and nobody has said anything is going to come out of it. I don't see an admin taking a leap to demote these moderators if there's such a problem, so yeah. --Nachtide I ran away from the pain- always breaking down inside 02:55, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently so, but there isn't any constructive criticism here. The extent of the criticism has been users telling other users that they "oppose" them because they have to do other things in their life than be on the chat. The most constructive criticism is currently coming from users who aren't re-iterating the two or three different votes on this page, and are instead telling everyone they think this is nonsense. Interestingly enough, the most vitriolic responses are to those with the most constructive criticism.

The bottom line is this: if there are users who are expressing their discontent at the existence of a forum, then it is down to the creator(s) of the forum to restore confidence. Tentatively stating "I talked to 5 or 6 people and they sorta agreed with me" doesn't restore any confidence. Neither does telling people that their input doesn't matter because they had 2 weeks within which to say they didn't want this. Not everyone remembers every active discussion, and more fundamentally, people's feelings don't have an expiry date. As far as any user should be concerned, those 5 or 6 people don't exist, because there's absolutely no way to verify that those private discussions ever happened. If you can't verify a discussion happened, it should be treated as if the discussion never happened. That's why we don't make forums based off of private discussions.      12:56, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Except that isn't what happened whatsoever. You taken one thing I've said and wrote a story. People's feelings do not expire and anyone is entitled to voice their opinions at anytime they like but it's not logical to complain about something when you done nothing to prevent it happening. This forum was posted mid December to which Nach was active. That was my only point. My one and only point, please don't try and make it something else. There is also nothing wrong with talking to people to get a rough idea before posting a forum, many people do it and there is nothing wrong with saying you done so either. 343 TheGuiltyProphet (talk) 13:08, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Comment A related matter has cropped up that I believe must be addressed. Recently, a certain AppleJon, who forfeited Moderator rights and supposedly left the wiki after several unfortunate incidents, made an appeal for the restoration of those same rights. Some users voiced their support. Others voiced their objections. The forum was quickly shut down by Callofduty4 because "the current way we do these is that an admin will post it, and ask for feedback; no votes!" However, four out of the five contributors active in the forum gave written-out opinions on whether AppleJon should be readmitted to the Moderator team, so the only reason for archiving the forum with any foundation in policy is that it was not posted by an Administrator.

More importantly, since AppleJon's rights were removed upon request, they may also be restored upon request without any further discussion. I even asked Callofduty4 about this in the chat room. I asked why AppleJon's request for a return to normality means a complete absence of scrutiny, especially in the middle of these Moderator evaluations, to which Callofduty4 answered, "Because that's how we've always done it." Thus, AppleJon is exempt from reevaluation. We must, at the very least, consider that this user's temporary forfeiture of Moderator rights amounts to a serious loophole in the evaluation process. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 06:08, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

I'll close the loophole you see by re-opening it. You are correct in what you say.      16:09, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 23:12, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comment I, uh, wrote a blog about my situation, it can be found here 07:08, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comment I wrote this above in 343's section, as it mostly pertains to that part, but I'll also put it here as it brings up arguments about the forum as a whole:

 have mostly stayed away from this mess of a forum, as I have no intention of throwing my hat into the ring. Something has to be said here, on this portion especially. What I am seeing here is not discussion, it's biased, baseless arguments. I don't always agree with 343, far from, and I hate this entire forum to begin with, but I am not taking my anger out on 343 because of that. 343 has made some questionable decisions in the last few months, and that is a problem. But this is not the way to go. All of the opposing votes and even the support votes are piss-poor. The support votes go into no detail and the tirade against 343 is so filled with malice that it is sickening. Now I see why the mod eval was such a terrible idea. There is no discussion, only personal opinion and votes that mean nothing. Terrible display, especially on this mod's portion. Just terrible.  Unknown^Prodigyhttp://i.imgur.com/OoYA0kr.gif 19:56, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Err, why should i say something that's already been said, again. And also, if you are looking for a detailed and well written explanation, then you are not to look at me because i suck at these stuff. So yea, excuse me if i angered you in any way (pokerface) http://i.imgur.com/Q78aVux.pngThe Fennec Fox ^talk   20:41, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

EDIT; Noticed i shouldn't be posting this twice, pardon (awk)

Comment Looking over the forum now, I have to agree with much of what UP is saying. There are numerous "per"s to gauzy thoughts, and this forum isn't even a vote anyway. I'm assuming an administrator is going to take these sections under consideration and make a decision at his discretion, just like how our mods are currently chosen. The thread is opportunity for communal input only, and right now the input presents next to nothing useful (I don't count a dozen reminders of who's inactive as being useful). Don't take this as a damning attack on the forum. I just don't want this bulky evaluation to go to waste. What should be a chance for thoughtful, constructive criticism is giving way to a pell-mell of featherweighted votes and cumbersome back-and-forths. It should be in our best interest to spell out our own unbiased thoughts and go about this as if there would be no demotions. We improve what we have, not stamp out that which we have the slightest aversion to.  ƧIƦ፠የነሄሮⶴፁ K ʟ ₑͤͤPᵀₒ ͦo ^talk http://imgur.com/IIvQPTj.png 21:25, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Both you and UP are exactly correct. Thanks for being on the right side of the never-ending battle against the reactionary "voting" that plagues this part of the website.

If I may drop a few spoilers of how this forum will end if the tone and voting don't change, then let me make it clear that nothing will happen, because there was no discussion. The most that I might do is mark inactive moderators as such on the chat page. Other than that, I can't provide specific feedback for any moderators because I won't have any to give, because there is no discussion, and I definitely will not be removing any rights.      23:57, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Is it out of the question to ignore the flimsy opinions from the "voters" and "'per X's" and to heed the discussion that is taking place in the midst of it all? Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 22:48, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

It won't be out of the question. There are definitely some points up there now that I can use to provide specific feedback. It wouldn't be right to ignore everything - we are (rightfully) making a big deal about actual discussion happening... so let's use what discussion we have to make sure something positive can come from this.      13:32, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - I can not agree more with the above comments, I was warned that this could happen but I thought if I made it clear it was discussion based, we could work it out. I now know I was wrong and I wish I listened to those who warned this could happen. Should I have the chance to go back and rethink this, knowing the outcome, i would now Oppose this mod evaluation I'm sorry everyone. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Talk 09:42, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - Cherno Alpha, General Twilight Sparkle, Pyrrha, Candlekeeper and StephOfTheEast's evaluations are closed as their rights have been removed due to inactivity. Pony and meatballl sub's rights were removed due to inactivity, but she was okay having them given back and is trying to be on more (she even wasn't too inactive in the first place).      01:35, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Cherno Alpha's evaluation is re-opened as he has asked for his rights back too.      02:21, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - There is some feedback here and I doubt we'll squeeze any more out. Nothing particularly convincing enough to remove any rights except those which were already removed for inactivity. I will provide specific feedback on moderators' talk pages as fit shortly.      19:48, January 3, 2016 (UTC)