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76.9.77.70 12:15, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's confusing. It's definitely not Time Turner then, and WLF seems very sure Hasbro wants it to be Hooves, but you can't argue with a registered trademark, right? I don't know how that stuff works, but could that be a separate Funko trademark for their toy and the official Hasbro spelling is still Hooves? That would make sense. Also lol at the replies to that last tweet. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 20:29 (E 20:40), February 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know... "Dr. Hooves" seems rather prominent, and the WeLoveFine people insist that it's the name Hasbro choses. I think I'd go with that. (But don't forget to include the other confirmed names at the begining of the article, like some others) Flippy Bear (talk) 21:31, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
I think in the long run a registered copyright should supersede the other names. Dr. Hooves is also an official name and might have been the one used most consistently in official sources up until lately, but it doesn't appear to be trademarked like Time Turner and that may indicade it was a temporary "safe" name in case the original Whooves didn't work out. I say the article should be Dr. Whooves, with him being "a Time Turner" as Carlton says (as that seems to be more of a job description than a name, or the MLP equivalent of "Time Lord"), and alternate name listed as Dr. Hooves. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:36, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
^ I agree with this. Aurablase10000 (talk) 23:34, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure that "Time Turner" is not a registered trademark. "Dr. Whooves" seems to be the only one that is registered.  Food 25px-Surprise.png  00:16, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
The Trading Cards show "Time Turner" as a trademark...177.179.247.91 00:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
IIRC, it says "TM", which is an unregistered trademark. I could slap that anywhere that I please and it wouldn't make too much of a difference. A registered trademark gives the holder jurisdiction to pursue legal proceedings, while an unregistered does not. What that means, is that Hasbro has went further into securing the use of that name other than typing an extra character at the end of it.
On a side note, I can't seem to find what you're looking at to be a registered trademark, Bobogoobo. I'm sure I'm missing it somewhere, but which link are you referring to?  Food 25px-Surprise.png  01:02, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
The Funko box, near the top of the list. But again, if that trademark belongs to Funko rather than Hasbro, we should go with Hooves. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 01:33, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why there'd be a separate copyright for a Hasbro-owned character, much less one that'd be called as such by The Hub recently. Is there any good way to find out for sure? LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:10, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
I doubt that tweets sent by The Hub account need to be checked for spelling consistency first. Heck, they didn't even check the episode credits. WLF received specific word that the name is spelled Hooves, and without more information on the Funko product, that's what I'd go with. Contacting Hasbro or Funko may be the only way to find out what's up with this, unless OP knows more. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 03:09, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


Regarding ® and ™: Registration affords you a bit of extra legal protection. "Gives the holder jurisdiction to pursue legal proceedings" is somewhat of a nonsense phrase. –Throwy 16:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
From my understanding, the holder is not able to pursue legal action regarding the trademark unless it is registered. If I'm incorrect in saying this, please tell me.  Food 25px-Surprise.png  02:56, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Somebody should probably get a picture of the back of Funko's Dr. Whooves box so that we can see if the fine print there clarifies anything. 76.9.77.70 03:24, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I can agree with that (personally, I'm hoping for Whooves, lol). Also, off-topic, once again, your source gathering skills never fail to impress, 76. -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 05:07, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
The back has nothing interesting ; just the brown MLP logo used elsewhere on the box and a choking hazard warning in three different languages, the bottom has the usual informational stuff found on the boxes for the other Funko MLP vinyl figures. Other than that there's nothing that points to anything specific about the name, unfortunately. — ChainChomp2 (talk) 01:13, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot that these have the informational stuff on the bottom rather than the back :P Thanks! It looks like the information in the top-left corner of the bottom does state that Hasbro owns everything while Funko only manufactures and distributes, so does that mean that the "Dr. Whooves" registered trademark is indeed Hasbro's and not Funko's? 76.9.77.70 01:27, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I'm all in favor of that. -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 01:29, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I would put the comics above the iOS game and the rest of the merchandise and chatter. However, this is a clear case where Hasbro simply hasn't laid down the law or gave different names at different times, and I think all official names are valid in this case. –Throwy 16:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see you're talking about in general, and in general, I agree (but Doctor Whooves hasn't had his name mentioned within the comics yet, as far as I'm aware ^^'). And yeah, I agree that in this case, all the names are valid, but I'd argue that Doctor Whooves should be made the article title again, since wouldn't merchandise like this take precedence over the trading cards (Time Turner) or Mighty Fine (Dr Hooves)? -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 01:29, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Right. I want you guys to ask yourselves which one is more likely: 1) That the recent registered trademark symbol on toy distribution makes it Hasbro-owned copyrighted material, or 2) That it is a massive red herring because it's not copyrighted by Hasbro for whatever reason (by the way, are there instances of Funko getting away with this if it is even remotely possible?), and the 2013 information that coincides with this by a separate official source just HAPPENS to be an unrelated mistake despite being strictly consistent up until the "old/new" spelling came to light. Occam's razor, people - we don't need to make it needlessly complicated. 144.80.137.20 03:43, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a big fan of the Razor, but it doesn't apply when you have equally likely conflicting information. I don't think the fact that Hasbro told WeLoveFine to use Hooves specifically can be thrown away. Maybe they even trademarked both names, who knows. I asked Funko about it, so hopefully I get a reply that will help. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 04:36, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Bleh, sorry this is taking so long. Let's see if they respond to email. If not (or the reply doesn't help), it would seem we should go with Whooves despite WLF's insistence on Hooves, due to the recent prevalence of the former. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 02:40, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I'm not getting a reply. Someone can move the pages if you want to; I bet there are many links to be changed. I'm still not sure how to make the comments move correctly... And I can do the image category movement if no one else gets to it. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 06:15, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Updated the list of merchandise with a new WeLoveFine shirt listing, though that shirt itself doesn't seem to be new (it appears to be exactly the same as this one, which had a now-gone previous listing). 76.9.79.78 11:31, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Updated the list of merchandise again with a new WeLoveFine shirt. 76.9.87.149 01:53, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I would go with "Dr. Hooves, as this is the most recent version used in merchandise, that we know for sure isn't a spelling mistake. And given the fact, that some merchandise are even RENAMED to Dr. Hooves, I think that it's currenntly preffered name. Vengir (talk) 07:55, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hot Topic has up a new (I think) item using "Dr. Whooves". Wanna just title the page the same as this forum? :P ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 00:38, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it would be a good idea to name the page as this forum. It would look… unprofessional.
Hmm… it's kinda funny. Currently the most probable names are Dr. Hooves and Dr. Whooves, which are homophones, which means that it could easily create a mistake if at any step between Hasbro and merchants or The Hub, the communicatiom is verbal (and the name is just said, not spelled). Therefore, as I said before, if a piece of merchandise has alteration in name, then it could mean, that Hasbro has contacted a merchant and clarified the spelling. Vengir (talk) 05:24, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Updated the list of statements with a couple of new WeLoveFine advertisement images. 76.9.75.121 03:59, May 10, 2013 (UTC) 76.9.75.181 00:11, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Updated both lists, the merchandise list with Little, Brown's My Little Pony Friendship is Magic official guidebook My Little Pony: The Elements of Harmony and the statements list with more WeLoveFine promotional stuff from late last month. 64.118.115.97 21:00, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Updated the list of merchandise with a new WeLoveFine case (the design of which isn't new). 64.118.119.131 21:45, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Split from the list of statements a list of promotional material, and added to it Gaia Online's use of "Time Turner" currently. (7)6(four) (talk) 06:59, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Just updated the list of statements with one from artist "milkbun"—an official staff member of GaiaOnline—the other day (thanks to Bunai82 for drawing attention to it); I'll talk about it in the Conclusion section below. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion

So what's the overall thought of this? Shall we change the name? FANMADE Pinkie portal front by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8Lord of Shadows Words mean nothing!FANMADE Pinkie portal back by blackgryph0n-d3f93p8 22:47, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support Doctor Whooves. -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 23:54, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
The registered trademark is of "Dr. Whooves" rather than "Doctor Whooves"; which format are you referring to? 76.9.79.78 00:07, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, haha, I see; I'm just so used to "Doctor" and "Dr." being interchangeable in everyday life, I didn't even check to see if one was specified over the other. -- This is Jonny Manz, signing off! 00:09, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Dr. Whooves. Although the name is a registered trademark, the toy is still second-party and we have no real idea as to whether Hasbro or Funko owns the trademark. --Pikmanipulator (talk) 07:17, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
What's the first party source?  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  12:52, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
The box says all rights belong to Hasbro, though. That in addition to the tweets is why I figure I'll support Dr. Whooves for now unless we get more information. The WeLoveFine stuff is really hard to reconcile with this but you never know. And I don't seem to be able to get answers from Funko. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 07:28, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
I still oppose the name because it simply doesn't sit well with me. As Wendy E. explained, it's not "My Little Pony" enough and there's no argument against the fact that it's blatantly based on a different, yet also popular television show. The fans have a bad habit of running with anything if it's popular and they like it, logic and nature of the shows be darned. I will never support the name "Dr. Whooves" or any name that sounds like it. Also, Callofduty4, I have no idea what you're asking. --Pikmanipulator (talk) 05:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think personal opinion regarding a name is relevant to wiki treatment of names. 64.118.123.211 16:59, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
It isn't, but I expressed it nonetheless. --Pikmanipulator (talk) 18:25, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gosh darn it! Anyone want to email Hasbro? Need to know Dr. vs. Doctor and Whooves vs. Hooves. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 03:30, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

No? I'm becoming increasingly tempted to rename Time Turner to D(octo)r(.) (W)Hooves. Don't make me do it! :P ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 06:01, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to think the guidebook has higher precedence; does it? If they consulted with staff and such closely with it, I think it would. I really want this forum to be done with. Guess I'll try emailing Hasbro too. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 06:00, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure they consulted the staff that closely for the guidebook? The book does use a plethora of names pulled straight from this wiki, including "Surprise" for one of the Wonderbolts. That's a G1 name, which I seriously doubt Hasbro would have given them an OK for. --Pikmanipulator (talk) 18:58, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, apparently I was wrong about that, we only know that (iirc) people like Meghan McCarthy had input on background information kind of things. I would think Hasbro approved everything in the book, but I don't know for sure. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 04:32, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
If they had just followed the Wiki, they'd have used "Time Turner" instead of "Dr. Hooves", don't you think? Flippy Bear (talk) 00:05, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
All the same, I think this proves that they didn't consult with Hasbro very closely on the matter. "Dr. Hooves" may just be what Meghan McCarthy recommended, as far as we know. --Pikmanipulator (talk) 17:53, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Well, they also used Hasbro's name "Sweetie Drops" instead of the most popular and also trademarked "Bon Bon"... Flippy Bear (talk) 20:03, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
True... --Pikmanipulator (talk) 20:06, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Hasbro told me to contact The Hub, who told me (through a form letter) that they couldn't find the information I requested. I suppose I wasn't really expecting to get an answer. I'm not sure if we can do anything with what we have, since it's so conflicting. That is, unless we take the guidebook to be higher precedence and go with Dr. Hooves. Any recommendations? ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 23:07, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
I think we should go with Dr. Hooves, as it's used on the majority of the sources... Flippy Bear (talk) 15:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I would rather it be Dr. Whooves, but the material just supports Dr. Hooves more.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png  21:55, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support Dr. Hooves. Pinkie_pie_mlp_fim_free_icon_by_xarazura-d49mq1t.gif Smile, Smile, Smile! Pinkie_pie_float_by_spectrumowl-d4q0t5m.gif
Sounds good to me, the page has been moved. Will need help changing links and mentions around the wiki, I guess it would be easiest to do it by bot (as long as you're careful and don't change mentions where it's using an alternate name intentionally). ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 00:57, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I'll be doing it then. I'd rather not close the forum until all related items are completely taken care of. Will do this soon maybe when I feel like it. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 08:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

So, that new statement. After a bunch of evidence for "Dr. Hooves"/"Dr. Whooves", Hasbro tells Gaia to use "Time Turner"; what do we do now? (7)6(four) (talk) 02:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

I guess just keep using Dr. Hooves for now until Hasbro definitively makes up their mind. It's clear from above posts that they have no idea. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 02:32, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Closed it appears we are using Dr. Hooves.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  13:54, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

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