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Forums gone

The forums have been removed in order to centralize discussion. -Throwawaytv 14:09, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

You know, in theory this is supposed to be a place for the talk about the main page. Community portal is there for general discussion.--Nathan2000 21:49, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, but this page has a link to it right on the front page, and there were already so many places you could start a discussion: the forums, the personal talk pages, the community portal. I think this is the best place, all things being equal.
By the way, excellent work on the episode chart templates, looks awesome. Another thing, I've finished going over the first five episode transcripts (and the last four, leaving four in the middle), so by the weekend I'll compare them to your subtitles. -Throwawaytv 00:18, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

/co/ MLP General Linkboards?

First not sure if right place in posting this but doing anyway, Just wondering if there should be a page dedicated to having an upto date Linkboard for generals on /co/?

Did use to have a long version, but was trying to work on a cut down version that just points people to use the external links page on this wiki as well, but would rather discuss that on a page for it instead of clogging up this discussion page.

JimSan 19:00, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

For the latest MLP General, check http://arch.413chan.net/mlpgeneral. You'll find more useful links on the external links page. -Throwawaytv 03:07, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
I do keep the latest linkboard, I was more interested in how to shorten it while still providing info for people, so was wondering where should it be discussed about how to redo the linkboard.
JimSan 13:05, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, the linkboard should only have four links: archive, pensivepony, mast3rlinx, and mentos. That's all people really need. Maybe a link to the wiki's external links page would be helpful too. -Throwawaytv 13:56, February 2, 2011 (UTC) (edited by Throwawaytv 13:58, February 2, 2011 (UTC))
The version I've been playing around with has the same links as yours but also the mlp wiki, the synchtube channel, pony shoe store (it wasn't on the external links page), and pony music (same reason as above), then just saying other links are on the wiki's external links page. If the other links I've got were on the external links page (the ones that aren't on it) then that would help clean it up. JimSan 15:38, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to put them there. -Throwawaytv 17:06, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Added and updated the linkboard, posting it in latest thread too JimSan 18:39, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Episode articles

Nathan raised the issue of trivia sections that turn into a list of unrelated bits and bobs. There is a bigger issue of episodes articles not actually written about the episode, but instead wriiten as the episode, with the inclusion of the writer's own interpretation.

Guidelines are necessary to decide how these articles will be written, if they stay in their current format or change into more informative articles and less re-telling of the episode. -Throwawaytv 11:23, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

As other articles are being guided into viewer perspective, "about" seems appropriate. The transcripts would be the retelling, with only a basic synopsis (clearly labeled as such) of the story in the descriptive article. (Should we enhance the transcripts into a more script-like format that includes "stage directions"?)
The problem then arises as to what goes into the descriptive articles. Outside of the synopsis, it seems to become mostly a collection of trivia or (unwanted) speculation. If the synopsis was compacted, would an abundance of trivia be acceptable? Should the episode articles include lists of appearances? McClaw 13:53, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
The articles should focus on notable events, for instance Fluttershy's character development in Feeling Pinkie Keen which is a very significant event in my eyes yet completely overlooked in the article. Trivia sections would be easier to incorporate in the articles once they're not a re-telling of the episode. Cast/credits/characters could be put in info boxes.
The more I talk about it the less I care, though. I never did get into the episode articles, and since I barely contribute to them the decisions should be made by the people who do, namely Arcadia and Aura. -Throwawaytv 16:52, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
This is precisely why episode articles need to be about the episodes and not a re-telling of the episodes. The Winter Wrap Up "activity" belongs in the Winter Wrap Up page. The page is written in-universe and repeats the same information three times. -Throwawaytv 04:57, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

In-universe perspective

I've been pushing a viewer-perspective approach on the wiki, but it turns out more people might be interested in an in-universe approach. This goes against my wishes to keep fan-stuff (art, fiction, lore, etc) to a minimum, but I can't stand in the way of the majority. I will not edit any in-universe material until it's clear whether the community wants it or not. -Throwawaytv 09:52, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. -Throwawaytv 10:03, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

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Season one about to end

I wonder when Hub's going to announce season two. -Throwawaytv 10:13, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Generally they announce the new season either right before or right after it ends. - Madgvox 04:26, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

In-universe perspective

You moved it to the archive while I was typing. Screw that, if I want to continue discussion, I'm gonna do it. The rest of my post commencing...
Well, nobody having anything constructive to say doesn't mean that nobody cares. Personally, I prefer in-universe information to listing "in this episode she did this, in that episode she did that". In my opinion, the article should be a compilation of all knowledge about its subject into one continuous flow with a healthy bit of speculation (that is, with some factual ground). For example, someone added on Zecora's page that Twilight went to her to get some tea. But what? She probably wouldn't go to the dangerous Everfree Forest to acquire something that she can easily buy in a shop. It means that this brand of tea is not native to Equestria (or at least Ponyville) so the zebra either grows it near her cottage or keeps trade relations with her motherland. Voila, speculation based on fact.
Fan works have nothing to do with in-universe/out-of-universe writing. You shouldn't mix the two.--Nathan2000 12:29, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Writing in-universe necessarily means you are giving a false account of what is actually shown, embellished from an imaginary point of view. You can see exactly this in my last edit to Sonic Rainboom, where Rarity's choice of music was described in-universe instead of from the audience's point of view. This is related to the fact that the episode articles are actually a re-telling of the episode plus a chunk of "trivia" instead of being actual articles about the episode. -Throwawaytv 11:03, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Pony Powers

Upon watching a number of episodes I have seen a curious trend which might be worth wiki-ing about, This would be a discussion on special powers of the ponies. Every pony seems to have something that makes them very unique a single trait, power, ability that manifests itself in the episodes shwoing most predominatly in "Stare Master" and "Sonic Rainboom" imply that only single ponies are capable of doing itHere is what I believe*"The Stare" Fluttershy's power. This allows her to temporarily create fear in the heart of animals/monsters that will make then listen to her orders and do as she says.

  • "Sonic Rainboom" Rainbow Dash's power. This allows her to manifest a physical rainbow by going supersonic speeds and being able to save the day.
  • "Excellent Fashion Sense" Rarity's power - while not extraordinary her sense of fashion is always awesome though sometimes the awe inspires is rather terrible admonishment. This appears in the fact she own the only Clothing Store in Ponyville and it appears in "Dressed for Success"
  • "Organization Skills" Twilight Sparkle's power - The ability to organize and put things together in an efficent format this ability manifest thoruhgout the series but comes to a head in "Winter Wrap-Up"
  • "Pinky Precognition" Pinkie Pie's power - This gives her both the ability to sometimes all of sudden discover things (particularly books) or know things are coming her way or in her proximity. Once again shown through the series but most obvious in "Feeling Pinky-Keen"
  • Not a clue on Applejack
  • "The Stare" Fluttershy's Power -

Now what's interesting about these powers is the unicorns which have magic seem to have one extermely mundane but useful skill. all the pergasaus ponies seem to have their power due to stressful situations, and finally well for the one, the earth ponies have a very magical one (which could be why Applejack doesn't like to show it off, may think its unnatural).Twilight Tria-MLP 05:23, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Performing an athletic feat, having a fashion sense, being organized, those are skills, not powers. Each pony already has a "skills" section on each of their pags. Throwawaytv 07:30, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
The point here I was more trying to make is that these should be part of the the subset along with the colors and such for quick reference since they are as unique as the cutie marks and would be easier for someone at a glance to figure out each pony that jump into the middle of series. Given that would you then reference in the actual page where the information comes from. Twilight Tria-MLP 17:17, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
The infoboxes are for visual, physical descriptions, for identification purposes. For characterization, the ponies have jobs, hobbies, interests, and skills, all part of the tapestry of their personality and behavior. They're not superheros or Pokemon. Personally I find characterizing a character through "special power" to be one-dimensional. If special powers were a major part of each character, I would probably stop watching the show. -Throwawaytv 18:25, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
There's a post by Lauren on her DA pages, here. I've made a screen cap, if there's a reason to link / add it to a page. McClaw 18:01, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shoes

Anyone object removing the apparel page? When I made it I assumed there would be official merchandise such as shirts etc, but it has turned to be nothing more than an advertisement for Zazzle shoes. -Throwawaytv 20:29, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not, and it (and Dolls) shows up as a "dead end page" (no inserted links to elsewhere in the wiki). But then so does the theme song page. It can always be recreated, can't it? McClaw 20:54, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'll wait a few days and if nobody objects I'll delete it. -Throwawaytv 21:08, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Toy

Imperial Toy is marketing an assortment of items using Pinkie Pie's image, licensed from Hasbro and using logos, art, and references for "Friendship is Magic." All seven items are used to make and play with soap bubbles.

McClaw 00:32, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

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Background ponies

With season 2 confirmed, it's safe to say we're going to have a lot more background ponies in the future. How do we make the background ponies article easier to navigate? Should there be a page for every background pony? -Throwawaytv 21:38, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

The list of ponies page is getting huge. Any ideas for splitting it? -Throwawaytv

Giving every background character their own page seems a little too radical to me. Since most of them don't have any official name, they're recognized by their appearance. A long list of arbitrarily chosen names on a category page might not necessarily be any easier to navigate. Maybe we should group them thematically, eg. "Ordinary background ponies", "Canterlot background ponies", "Appleloosa background ponies", "Foals"? Unique characters like Lotus, Mr. Breezy and Hayseed could get separate pages.--Nathan2000 10:14, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

We got ourselves a Spam Problem

I checked the recent activity and I saw TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much spam on the talk pages! Who let the adbot in?Duo2nd 10:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The Food of Equestria

You guys and gals think we should make a detailed section of all the food that appears in the world of Equestria? Could be part of the more indepth lore of the universe.ChJees 12:51, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at what I've been assembling (slowly) on this page. At a minimum, the two should be merged. McClaw 13:41, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Created. By the way, it's not "appears in the world of Equestria", it's "appears in the show." When dicussing "lore" and "the universe", keep it to the viewer's perspective. -Throwawaytv 16:27, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Now we have two pages -- Food and Food and beverage. Thus my suggestion they be merged. McClaw 18:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Huh? There already was a page? -Throwawaytv 20:40, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

The Native-American controversies of "Over a Barrel"

First off, let me make something clear. I'm not here to start a flame war or start trouble. I have read arguments on both sides, but I just want to see if I have made things clear for what I'm about to discuss.

The recent episode, "Over the Barrel", drew a bit of criticism on Ponychan about the 'depiction' of Native-American, for lack of a better term, and the overall pie solution which is harmless, but still silly. I've read that people took a bit of offense to it or found it as just poor writing: to name a couple off the top of my head. Just now, a commenter here on the wiki suggested that the whole controversy is nothing more than some fans trying to start drama; pointing to the theological discussions brought about by "Feeling Pinkie Clean".

Here's what I'm getting at. I've been steadily working on some pages for the TV/Movie Wiki Screened, which now includes My Little Pony: FiM, which I'm proud to have written the entirity of. Being on a wiki I'm sure many of you are level-headed and have your ears closer to the ground than I do so what I'd like to ask is a quick look through of my recent edit that summarizes this episode. Really, I just want to make sure that I got the controversy, or maybe just mild skirmish, is accurate.


[article for "Over a Barrel"]


174.102.3.200 04:27, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ponychan was started by 4chan's /b/ MLP fans. They are extremely fond of flame wars and drama, despite their "brony" surface. They did the same concern-troll schtick with Feeling Pinkie Keen and Bridle Gossip before that, although I can't remember if Ponychan existed during the airing of Bridle Gossip or if they were still mostly on /b/. Either way, whenever something is tangentially racial or religious, you can count on ponychan to concern-troll about its ill effects on the poor little girls who watch the show.
Now, personally, I would prefer you didn't refer to it as a controversy, because I do not consider internet arguments "controversies" in the colloquial sense, but you are free to write what you like.
As you can see, this wiki focuses solely on the show and official merchandise -- it does not discuss fan art, the fan community, or indeed anything outside the show and merchandise other than Derpy Hooves and other fan-named characters.
Not being a regular on ponychan I can't tell you what went on there, but it definitely was nothing more than an internet argument. -Throwawaytv 21:42, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
Much obliged.
174.102.3.200 01:07, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Edits to the character pages

You might have noticed me doing a lot of edits on the character pages recently, fleshing out personalities and relationships. Of course this stuff is very subjective, and it can often be hard to avoid fanon and personal theories creeping in. I'm eager to keep it professional and backed up only by the episode, so if anyone feels I'm getting a little carried away feel free to send me a message about it. Philweasel 12:36, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions! -Throwawaytv 19:35, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Remove external links to "unseemly" sites?

This wiki was started for /co/'s community, but very quickly children became the main audience, because, after all, this site is about kids' show. I'm still worried that there are links to /co/ and such on the external links page. While it's certainly very useful to adult fans, I think it's no longer appropriate. I don't want an "adult links" section because that would send the wrong message altogether. In any case communities like ponygoons should stay because they're all-ages communities, even if they're predomiantly adult. So, what do you say? -Throwawaytv 19:34, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to offer a tentative aye. Due to the nature of the internet much of the FiM fandom is inappropriate for kids and it will be nice if we kept this wiki clean, and it also fits with the intent to make it a 'show and official merchandise only' site (with small exceptions like fan names for background Ponies). Anyone who should be in /co/ can quite easily find it, and I would hate to be responsible for guiding someone there who shouldn't. - Philweasel 20:16, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Serious Vandalism problems, Requires edit locking.

Well I resolved some of the serious vandalism done by 2 irresponsible 4chan annons here in this wiki but this is seriously getting on my nerves on how this is going. So I hate to say this but all of thr pages on this wiki should be on semi-protect mode againts the stupid vandals. I had enough on seeing stupid edits again and again, and I may retire as an admin due to this. But please stop being so stupid and submit correct info and not stupid spam!


OR I'm GONNA SERIOUSLY TELL Throwawaytv TO LOCK THE WHOLE WIKI DOWN YOU HEAR??? D: Duo2nd 01:18, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Becoming an admin

Hello, and good day to you. I'm here to request being an admin. I don't want to take much of your time, but I have been helpful so far to the site, I keep pretty updated with the site, and I have been neighborly. The reason for me wanting to become an admin is so I could help a bit more than I have. I don't really care if you make me one or not, I'm just throwing a request to the wind. Also, if I don't become an admin now, how can I better my chances of becoming one? Thank you for your time and your decision :) Shadowdemon137 19:27, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

You can't request becoming an admin, it's all about trust. -Throwawaytv 20:23, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Woops. I read in the admins page that you could request, but you're an admin and telling me otherwise, so ok :) Thank you. Shadowdemon137 20:25, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
If it's any consolation, all the major contributors eventually became admins. -Throwawaytv 20:28, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

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Grumblings

Recently I've stepped on the toes of two very good contributors. The two incidents are very different from each other, but they both stem from the same two issues:

  1. I'm harsh and blunt
  2. Speculation, in-universe style, and fan-works should be avoided

Everybody agrees with the first issue, and honestly it's probably not going to change. I might be harsh and blunt, but I'm always civil, and I always back up my edits with issue number 2.

The second issue is the most important. This wiki is very different from other Wikia fan encyclopedias. You can read all about it in the guidelines. The content section:

  • This wiki deals primarily with official information about the show and its merchandising.
  • Articles should be written from the viewer's perspective. Avoid in-universe descriptions and anchor fictional details, depictions, and descriptions in their corresponding episodes and appearances.
  • Disputed but non-speculative content should be discussed in the talk pages before any reverts/edit-wars are made.
  • To quote the show's creator: "I don't like defining things that are not featured in episodes." Avoid speculation completely, and be cautious about material that is not featured in the show.

"Disputed but non-speculative content" in this sense is information that is present in the show but hard to determine, like the exact spelling of a word.

The rest should be clear: don't write from the point of view of a character in the show, and don't write as if you're describing a universe.

How not to write?

  • Earth ponies live in Equestria. There are no pegasus ponies in Appleloosa. - in universe, speculation.

Why is it in-universe? Because it describes how earth ponies live, instead of how they are seen in the show.
Why is it speculation? Because we can't know there are no pegasus ponies in Appleloosa and it's not stated in the show.

How to fix it?

  • Earth ponies are one of the three pony races in the show who live in Equestria. Applejack tells her friends that Appleloosa was founded by her relatives, and only earth ponies are seen in residing there in Over a Barrel.

Now instead of describing earth ponies, the sentence describes how earth ponies are seen in the show, and instead of speculation about Appleloosa, everything said is grounded in the show in a specific episode.

Why no speculation?

Because I'm adamant about the show. Speculation, in-universe, and fan-works are a sure-fire way to turn the wiki to something extraneous to the show. An innocent statement like "there are no pegasus ponies in Appleloosa" actually drives the wiki a little bit away from the show by adding information that is not in the show.

Why no in-universe?

Because I want the wiki to be clear to readers who don't follow the show religiously. Additionally, describing a fictional work as if it is an alternate reality inevitably leads to aberrations. There are no scenes in reality, no cinematic elements, and no theatrical elements. If a camera cuts or pans, if a character is subjected to dramatic irony, if the dialogue is specially crafted, if a cinematic element is present, that is important to the show. Describing the show from an in-universe perspective ignores all that. In that regard, the episode summaries are a great disappointment to me, as they are almost always in-universe.

What if I disagree with these two guidelines?

You can disagree on a lot of things, but this wiki was founded with the purpose of adhering to these two guidelines. If this was not made clear before, I am making it absolutely clear now:

Avoid writing from an in-universe perspective. Avoid speculation.
Write from the viewers' point of view. Anchor what you write in specific events and episodes.

Thanks for reading. -Throwawaytv 07:28, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Vector versions

Since the original Hubworld images of the main cast are kinda weird and a little different from the way they look in the show, I was wondering if anyone can extract the models from the Discover the Differences game. I've never worked with SWFs but I'll try to do it myself too. Any help appreciated. -Throwawaytv 10:52, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, there are only models of Twilight, Spike, and Celestia in the game. -Throwawaytv 10:59, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Non-native English speakers

Not all nouns are capitalized in English; most aren't, actually. Even article titles and sections are usually written in sentence case and not word case. (List of ponies - sentence case, List of Ponies - word case)

Fictional events like the plot of a television series are described in the present tense, as if you are watching them while you describe them. (Applejack eats an apple - present tense, Applejack ate an apple - past tense) -Throwawaytv 09:46, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

No fair

It's not fair other bronies get credit for pictures or edits I do or put on the wiki.

Well maybe they uploaded newer & better version of the images. Have you bothered to check the version history of those images.

Plus also remember to sign by typing ~~~~ as it's easier to see who you are without having to check the sometimes confusing history & If I didn't do that I would not even know you were Light-Z. Richardson j 06:01, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

That's an issue with Wikia. Removing the attribution is against their TOS, but you can request that they remove it somewhere on the Wikia community portal. I support removing the attribution on thumbnails, it's distracting. -Throwawaytv 07:51, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

"Sonic Rainboom" confusion

Currently on this wiki, there is only one "sonic rainboom" page. This is for the episode, by name. There is no page for the event itself, nothing describing what happens or how it forms, unless it is explained in the episodes page, but then it would be a bit off-topic.


For somebody who doesn't watch the show or hasn't seen the episode, this could probably be very confusing. I feel a page should be added more relevant to the event of the sonic rainboom itself, but I tend to write in-universe, which I've just discovered to be very bad. Anyone up for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doeoeod (talkcontribs) 21:36, 17 May 2011

If the episode page was written a little more clearly there would be no confusion. -Throwawaytv 07:54, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
It seems like the wiki's "no in-universe material" policy does not warrant the setting up of such a page to accurately describe the specific event of a sonic rainboom. In the Sonic Rainboom episode page, the event is described as an instance of "break(ing) the sound barrier and create(ing) a huge rainbow from the thunderous boom, appropriately dubbed the sonic rainboom".
The setting up of a specific page would mean:
a) The event is significant to the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic show and community.
b) The current description of the event in the episode page fails to give such significance to it.
I have no doubt at all that with the right wording, the article can be accessible to those who have not watched the episode or furthermore are not familiar with the show. For example "The Sonic Rainboom (event) refers to an event that takes place in the episode, Sonic Rainboom..." Furthermore the use of a disambiguation page (if possible) and the labelling of the page with an additional (event) marking at the back of the name would clearly seperate the two pages clearly. Such practices are commonly applied in Wikipedia itself and are no doubt at all a professional and sound way to demarcate similar pages in a wiki.
Such a page would be an in-universe entity. However it can be argued that for one the event is specifically referred to by the charachters themselves as a sonic rainboom and is thus an official name within the show.
Furthermore this presents a challenge to this wiki's policy of providing information that excludes in-universe material and any form of fan fiction. We must acknowledge that although such a policy allows for an in depth appreciation of the show in its official form, it does lose out on the cultural significance that parts of the show may have on the community. It is obviously not in anyone's interest to start a wikipage here detailing fully speculative material. However we should be open to including material that carries special significance to the community and also provides non-watchers of the show an in-depth look into certain elements of MLP.
Hope for further discussion on the topic :)
Daniel95K 16:53, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 :::::Done. Sonic Rainboom (event)

Some unlisted Derpy appearences

Hello. I have just recently started my third viewing of the series, this time looking for all the moments in the series where Derpy is, and trying to make the list already on her wiki page more complete. I have only gotten half way through the episodes again, but I have found about 10 unlisted sightings, and sadly I do not have permission to edit the page myself.

Episode 4 - Reference to this posting ----->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8RCd_vPoE

  • 5:56 - Directly Behind Pinky Pie
  • 6:44 (Top of head, purely speculation)

  • 7:37 (Top of head again)

Episode 6 - Reference to this posting ----->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv20tte60ak

  • 2:23 - Bottom right corner

  • 4:56 - Kind of hard to see, but second from the far right in the background

  • 19:22 - Far Left

  • 19:29 - Scoulding on far right

Episode 11 - Reference to this posting ----->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GFajh3aWI

  • 2:52 - Flew up to the oher ponies

Episode 12 - Reference to this posting ----->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmLkUFJlybg

  • 21:31 - Behind the white pony in the far back of the background

Episode 13 - Reference to this posting ------>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXNBLGJBCg

  • 6:03 - On right could in the background


I will continue to search for unlisted Derpy appearences.

"List of ponies" - most are fan-made, or assumptions

The wiki guidelines stated that we should try to avoid speculation at all costs. Now I know that the list of names is unavoidable since most characters possess anonymity, , but the fact that there isn't something that tells us that the name is fan-made, a speculation, or official is down-right confusing. Yes, some do say they are what they are, but not all

I can edit the list of ponies myself, but I'm not a super-brony that knows every little detail of the show. Also, I think that we should try and separate fan-made/speculated names and official names to allow better organization.

What say you?

-- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox)

>The wiki guidelines stated that we should try to avoid speculation at all costs.
I say we change the guidelines.
>but the fact that there isn't something that tells us that the name is fan-made, a speculation, or official
Yes, there is. The background color. When the background is blue (like here), the name is official. It's explicitly stated on those pages. If there is enough material, you might even make separate pages about some characters.--Nathan2000 17:44, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
>I say we change the guidelines.
Symbol neutral vote Neutral - I'm not sure what you mean by "change the guidelines". I would normally oppose if your statement inclined to making a complete overhaul, but at some point I would agree with you that there needs to be exceptions, especially in trying to distinguish characters from one another - just that they are informed that it is speculation, and not official canon.
>Yes, there is. The background color... It's explicitly stated on those pages.
The background color is barely noticeable (it does not truly contrast) and notice on distinguishing items is unnoticeable and barely attractive. Yes, it may be of my own ignorance, but the best we could do for the wiki is to make things a lot more colorful, especially on a wiki about a children's show and one good step for that is to give warnings a little more eye-candy. I'll do this myself if I have to, since I'm not informed about the color schemes (by you) of the tables, et cetera.
But before I do so, of course, permission must be granted upon me (since I see no actual warning about changing anything, unlike the Episodes List). All I will be doing is to make the colors on the table a bit more contrasting to the background color (making it darker, perhaps), adding probably a "red" color to fan-made and speculated names, and also adding a more noticeable "Legends" table - even if it only consists of Blue - official, and Red - fan-made/speculation.
User:Denmax April 05, 2020 -- 06:39
If I may butt in for a moment, using colour as the only way to differentiate between important information is very bad form on accessibility grounds. Users of text browsers or scrren readers, and also the colour-blind, will be unable to tell the difference between the two. You might want to think of some other (or additional) way to differentiate, such as appending a symbol to either fan-made or official names. Dendodge 01:27, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Check out my MLP:FiM online article

http://www.awn.com/blogs/miscweant/ponies-and-bronies

This is a hopefully a prelude to a longer article I'm planning to write about the show and us fans...

69.86.123.121 17:26, July 5, 2011 (UTC)Joe Strike aka "Crackerjack"

h3 is getting borked

Aligning text and images with <h3 style> does not work anymore. Images that are executed through this command will get lines to pass through them (particullarly from other headings) if they are transparent. Substituted the Featured articles template using tables until this gets fixed. -- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox) 16:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)</h3>

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Reference Guide?

Being new to the show I recently saw a Reference to Lion King and was wondering if there is a Reference Guide to all the References MLP makes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.171.90 (talkcontribs) 18:35, July 7, 2011

Most references are listed in Trivia sections in episode articles. I'm afraid any separate page would only double the information already available.--Nathan2000 16:45, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Tables, underlines, Unnecessary Capitalization, misaligned columns

I appreciate what people are trying to do to the front page, but putting underlines under everything, capitalizing every other word, and creating misalighned divs is not the way. -Throwawaytv 20:51, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

It's good now, thanks for neatening it up :) --Callofduty4 18:13, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

This is not KnowYourMeme

The wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of fan art and "memes" from around the internet. It is not about the fandom, it's about the show. There are a dozen other websites about the fandom. Keep this wiki topical and show-accurate. -Throwawaytv 12:55, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


What is this?

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HECK THIS IS!! Is this like the new My Little Pony? I really liked that when i was younger...like, a couple months younger. I would spend hours coloring in my My Little Pony coloring book and then decorate my locker in middle school and high school with them. I liked Rainbow Dash and Wisteria. Recently i saw a bunch of ponies cropping up on the internet and wondered where the heck they have come from. Will someone please explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by didn't check (talkcontribs) didn't check

Altering screenshots

No matter how "accurate" your alteration is, an unaltered image is more accurate. -Throwawaytv 20:25, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Fan art and fan works

I think the reason to keep fan art, fan works, and fandom news out of the wiki is very easy to understand. Fan art is not part of the show, and having a fan-created image of Fluttershy on the Fluttershy page is simply misleading. Same goes for fan-created depictions of the cutie marks, fan-names for characters, fan-theories, and all other-than-official information.

Altering screenshots, vectorizing cutie marks, naming unnamed ponies--these are all deviations from the actual show and they distort the actual available information about the show. -Throwawaytv 10:02, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Voice Actors?

Would it make sense to have a page for voice actors? Each writer on the show has a page, why not the voice actors as well?

Strangething 01:50, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

should we add a link to every page for fanart?

this would probably keep fanart and ocs away from the actual wiki and then most people may go over to the fanart wiki like on the fluttershy page make a specific page on the fanart wiki for her and on and on.
Mylittlewut 15:52, July 27, 2011 (UTC)mylittlewut

That's not a bad idea, but it still might go against the no-fanart ethos of this wiki. I still like the idea though. --Callofduty4 12:36, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


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Lyra and others

Discuss please. People have been wanting to keep a page dedicated to Lyra, and most of the other more famous background ponies.

Personally, my reaction is

Symbol support vote Support -- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox) 01:16, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support King flying rock 01:49, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote Oppose Fan-name, no extensive info is available on the character. All current info on the page should be incorporated inthe the List of Ponies page and the Lyra page should be deleted. -Throwawaytv 13:49, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Comment -- The main idea is not about its content for now, but rather, if the pages of Lyra and more famous ponies do have some potential to have their own page. At some point, their names will be confirmed and if the page really does have some true content in it, we'll just rename the page and then it's official. Of course, I'll agree to you that it requires to be deleted if it is lacking. -- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox) 18:09, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Neutral Needs a little work to be a rightful page. Lyra is one of the layout artists' favorite pony to do "silly poses" [1] and her relationship with Bon-Bon is mostly based on color scheme [2]. I'm a little obsessed about citing sources. Lyra has potential. Unfortunately Bon-Bon page is less promising.--Nathan2000 17:51, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Comment -- I'll agree on your comment about Bon-Bon for now. The only reason she's famous is because of Lyra. Lyra has more potential to have her own page, and Bon-Bon is just IN IT because of her presence with Lyra. Lyra has more distinguishing traits, but all I know about Bon-Bon is that she talks like a female Scooby Doo. -- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox) 18:09, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support -- I think background ponies do warrant their own pages if several (not necessarily all) of the following statements are true:

  • they appear in a significant number of episodes
  • they exhibit characteristics and behaviours that are noteworthy and consistent
  • a comprehensive description of their noteworthy appearances would exceed the couple of sentences that there is room for on the List of Ponies page
  • creators have expressed behind-the-scenes trivia about the character
  • the fanbase has exhibited significant interest in working with the character (which, note, would not be part of the description for the pony; but it would be grounds for making special note of her, somewhat similar to Derpy Hooves)

Lyra and Bon Bon should meet these standards. I also think that having individual pages for some ponies encourages people to do research and add to the character's description. For instance, I decided against editing the Bon Bon/Applebloom confrontation into the List of Ponies entry, but I would add it if Bon Bon had her own page, because I think it shows that she does have traces of a distinct personality which can be objectively described as per the wiki guidelines. Similarly, the creator commentary linked to by Nathan2000 would be out of place on the List of Ponies page, but a Behind the Scenes section on Lyra's own page would be the proper place for collecting info like this. So why not give fans of these ponies the chance to put their obsession to good use? If the opportunity isn't taken and the background pony pages remain stubs that don't go beyond a couple sentences, they can still be deleted later on. Ditto if they're abused and spammed with references to fanfiction (though personally, a single sentence along the lines of "many fans like to write stories featuring a relationship between Bon Bon and Lyra" is not something I would be bothered by). -- Tulipchainsaw 19:25, July 7, 2011 (UTC) |}



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Category:Royal Family members & Category:Royal family members

There is no need for 2 similar-named categories. Plus I see no need of including one category into another.

Proposition:
1) Articles from Category:Royal family members move to Category:Royal Family members
2) To completely get rid of Category:Royal family members, exclude this category from Category:Royal Family members
Teyandee 21:22, July 9, 2011 (UTC) |}


Low quality images

Avoid uploading and using low-quality images. High-quality sources are available and there's no reason to use blurry, miscolored, low-resolution images. -Throwawaytv 09:57, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Delete the season 2 related articles with no confirmation

Periodically, the articles about season 2 / episode 27 were created. None official links were provided: New episode (2011-07-15)‎‎ or Unknown Episode 27.

I propose we delete such articles unless an link to http://www.hubworld.com/ or http://www.equestriadaily.com/ or http://www.hasbro.com/ with confirmation is given. Teyandee 16:02, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support things need to be confirmed, otherwise they're just speculation. --Callofduty4 21:19, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Supportper Callofduty4 - Jar teh marksman

Symbol support vote Support GG (talk) 23:29, July 16, 2011 (UTC)


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New background image for the wiki

Here you are able to see a background image I made for the wiki. It doesn't scroll with the page, so it remains stationary and looks neat.

Why don't we use this? It's better than the nothing that we have at the moment.

Symbol support vote Support as proposer. --Callofduty4 21:19, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support It's lovely :3 Smuff[The cake is a lie] 23:08, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support Agree, the wiki is rather bland right now Stealth Cl0wn 23:08, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support Of course! GG (talk) 23:12, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support The old background is dull. needs moar colour, so great idea. - Jar teh marksman

Symbol support vote Support Per the above. ~>ђ (tคlкς๏ภtгเ๒ร) 23:37, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support Personally, it would make the wiki look much better. Also, most other wikis have backgrounds such as these. Shadowdemon137 05:43, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

I have modified the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.css so the new background image can be seen by guests and logged-in users with Oasis skin. You may have to clear the cache to see it. Enjoy, everypony! Teyandee 09:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC) |}


3 day block for uploading Fan Art

Apparently, not everyone has read Guidelines which states Please avoid uploading fan-art. So I have the following suggestion:

User who uploads fan-art first time will have his/her images removed. In case of 2nd upload he/she will be blocked for 3 days.

We have the rules and I want everybody to know and follow them. Teyandee 17:40, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote Neutral I can agree in principle that rules should be read, followed, and repeat offenders sanctioned. If by "will have his/her images removed" you mean all images, as punishment for uploading one piece of fan-art, then I disagree that that should be the first step. The first step should be the removal of the offending image(s) only, accompanied by a warning. That aside, a temporary ban for doing what you were explicitly told not to do sounds reasonable. However, in the interest of "Assume good faith" and "Don't bite the newcomers", might I make some suggestions?
1. Make the guidelines more concrete. "Please avoid uploading fan-art" is somewhat vague, and can give rise to excuses of the sort "but I couldn't avoid uploading my fan-art, because it's so awesome and twenty people have congratulated me on it, and anyway, 'please' is just a suggestion". Instead, maybe a direct prohibition on fan-art is better, plus a non-exclusive list of the areas of the site that this prohibition applies to (either including or excluding profile pages), just to make it perfectly clear. Any possible sanctions should also be mentioned.
2. If technically possible, the image upload dialogue could be altered to include a bold and obvious reference to the guidelines, so that nobody can claim they weren't aware of them.
3. Similarly, if possible, could the Style Guide, the Guidelines and maybe one or two other pages be put into a seperate drop-down list labeled "New users: read me!" next to "Community"?
(On a related note, I do think some fanworks warrant their own entries, if they meet objective notability criteria. But the rules are the rules, so for now, I don't go around creating pages for the major fansites or the Cupcakes story. Somebody inevitably will, though, so maybe it would be best to debate this and publish concrete rules for that eventuality as well.)
-- Tulipclaymore 20:59, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
The phrasing was lifted wholesale from Wikipedia. "Avoid" here means "don't do it, ever." The image upload page can get a "don't upload fan art" banner, but people will igore it the same way they ignore the Please give the file a descriptive name banner. It just doesn't seem to register.
I think we should have a discussion about fan art and the guidelines. I've tried starting one several times but I never get any replies.
Lastly, bans should be reserved to vandalism and inappropriate behavior. There is no need to ban people who are simply trying to make a positive contribution. -Throwawaytv 10:12, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote Oppose Bans should be reserved for vandalism and terms-of-use violations. -Throwawaytv 10:17, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote Oppose Per Throwawaytv, if warnings are ignored, then a ban can be issued, just like a ban can be issued for ignoring any warning. --Callofduty4 17:31, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Review of candidates for deletion

I think the candidates for deletion page illustrates how fan art blurs the difference between factual, official show information and fan-depictions. Any fan art should be speedily deleted. -Throwawaytv 13:52, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

And my personal meter of "caring" drops pretty quickly. I'm still going to delete unused images, but I'm not touching stuff people post on their user or blog pages. About main namespace pages with actual stuff, I suggest gathering lots of votes for deletion or finding a more eager admin.--Nathan2000 16:16, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
Fan-art has to be removed. I suggest notifying the uploader and giving 24 hours for him to delete the image. The problem may arise if the image will be in both main namespace and user blog/user pages. Teyandee 17:22, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
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--Nathan2000 18:09, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
I suggest placing "User_" prefixes on images used for user pages. Example, if someone uses a fan-made Fluttershy image, they use the name "User_Fluttershy". It should be a new rule, at least -- Denmax (talk|contributions|sandbox) 18:12, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Vectoring images myself for the use of the wiki

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