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This topic is probably long overdue.

As season 8 looms closer and closer, it is getting harder and harder to keep select information off the Wiki and under wraps. Obviously, information about stuff that hasn't been released -- and information about stuff that's still a long time from now -- is still off-limits. But as more episodes get revealed (especially those that were leaked), naturally more and more users talk about them in the comments. And for this sort of thing, I don't know if the comments can be policed that efficiently.

So how should we move forward? Given that content is always subject to change before it's aired on TV, things like episode credits, episode order, episode titles, etc. should be taken with a grain of salt before they are corroborated by official sources. And of course, sharing links is still forbidden. But once a leaked episode has been revealed, should users be allowed to comment about it if they have already watched it? Should certain information be allowed to be published as long as it's hidden?

What happens next? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 03:01, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

I have a suggestion! I say, add any and all information about an episode only if their name and synopsis is released to the public! If the episode hasn't been revealed, don't add anything about that episode in! But if the episode has the title and synopsis revealed, then I guess adding in even the leaked info on that particular episode is ok! But that's just my suggestion! ;) --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 03:10, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
I suppose that's fine. Once the title and synopsis are independently corroborated outside of the leak content, then the other known information about it can be added, while taking into consideration spoilers. Non-spoiler information like writers and storyboard artists, if known, I think are okay. Song and character details should be okay on workshop pages before being moved to the mainspace upon airing. I would take it case-by-case. Dogman15 (talk) 04:00, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good! How about the "character appearances"? Could they be updated via leaked content when the episode info comes out, or wait till legit info comes out? --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 04:05, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me. It's just data, not actual leaked images or sound. Dogman15 (talk) 04:50, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Can leak-based comments that are deleted be restored when the content they're about is officially released? (7)6(four) (talk) 04:06, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
That'd be a lot of deleted comments to go through. :P I think if comments on released episodes is allowed, users can repost them if they want to. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 04:10, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Having leaked information on mainspace articles here could result in Wikia being issued a cease and desist by Hasbro. A similar situation happened on the Call of Duty Wiki regarding leaks for one of the games, and the end result was that we had to remove the infringing material from the pages it was on. It really wasn't a big deal, but we are running the possibility of it happening. Anything that is publicly released for Season 8 should be on the wiki as any other information should be.
No one here will get in any legal issues but it might end up being a large inconvenience if we have to sift through pages and get everything off if Hasbro approaches Wikia with an order to do so. Keep an eye on how leaked Season 8 material is being dealt with elsewhere. Is it being routinely scrubbed off of YouTube, DailyMotion etc.? If so, then it's likely that the same scrubbing could happen here too.
Regarding comments, they don't really need to be actively policed... if someone goes and does a large info/pic drop on a comment or comment chain then sure delete it... but informal conversations are probably fine.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  04:14, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
You're paranoid. Dogman15 (talk) 04:50, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
You're unbecoming of the position you hold when you make comments like that.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  22:13, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support (7)6(four) (talk) 22:47, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Let's see what will happen with those new Equestria Daily discussions. They are going to let people discuss the entire season. IMO, they are feigning ignorance by pretending some site has released synopsi officially. But overall I would suggest not to add any leaked info until the episode is released. Vengir (talkcontributions) 08:36, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I could agree with restricting main namespace material to only the stuff that has been officially released. I'm less sure about what to do with the comments - whether to be more merciful and allow talk about the episodes that have been leaked (once they're officially confirmed and scheduled, with an article in the main namespace), or to continue to delete comments that explicitly reference material regarding those episodes that has not been officially released yet.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 04:52, March 3, 2018 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 
On the note of ignorance—feigned or genuine—from Equestria Daily, they've said S08E25 Unknown Pegasus Filly #1 Rainbow Harmony "is still a mystery. Hopefully we get a name for her later on" despite her official name having already been leaked (as one of two, with neither individually identified but the other being since-individually-identified-elsewhere Trusty Splendor), and regarding her name, what'll this wiki do? (I really don't want this to be another preexisting-but-overlooked-official-name situation, like when this wiki inaccurately had Peachy Pitt placeholder-named or when Derpibooru had Ginger Beard mistagged.) (7)6(four) (talk) 14:37, September 8, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 23:34, December 2, 2018 (UTC)
Well, despite alerting others to the situation, I haven't kept this from getting worse: third-party fanart of her (sometimes with Rainbow Flash) has her misidentified as "Rainbow Flare", only one of the two words within which matches those within her official name (regarding the remainder, I'll say "Elements of"). Since a certificate for her (like Dapper Dash's certificate and Trusty Splendor's "cerficiate") must have been officially released (to Natalya only, but other one-of-a-kind official material—such as this My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Issue #12 cover and these toys—has already been introduced), can her official name be used by regarding its leakage as word-of-mouth indication of what that officially-released certificate says? (7)6(four) (talk) 20:36, November 17, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 17:14, November 18, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 23:34, December 2, 2018 (UTC)
Gameloft's mobile game added her; does it use her name (whether in-game or internally)? (7)6(four) (talk) 21:14, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
It does (meaning her name's been sourceable from game data since a week ago)! (7)6(four) (talk) 03:52, December 8, 2018 (UTC)
I think, for the purposes of preventing misidentification/misrepresentation of info, certain details are permitted for use on the Wiki - provided that the context of said info becomes public through English-language sources first. For example, this character - whose name I presume is actually Rainbow Harmony - has now appeared in-show, so her name is permitted for Wiki use. This is worth including in the guidelines I outlined below. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:04, December 1, 2018 (UTC)
Edits made; Rainbow Harmony's official name is now on the Wiki! (Whereas at Derpibooru, unawareness of her official name has escalated to the point that a naming poll—which even includes the official name of separate character Rainbow Swirl—is being wasted on her...) (7)6(four) (talk) 23:34, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

I think that the episode titles that have been revealed should be in the article workshop. There's no use in delaying the inevitable. Now we don't have to look for synopsis, Production numbers, or guest spots right away for some because the information is not all there yet.

That's at least my stance on dealing with the leaks. Not everything surrounding the leaks should be posted, but the little bit of info we place here might make a difference in future spoilers being avoided.Dry63 (talk) 02:36, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Episode order and airdates are still an issue here. We have no way of knowing if episodes will be aired in the order they're intended or when they'll be aired. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 03:22, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

I think the episodes that are leaked that are also now confirmed episodes (Ex. Horse Play) should be allowed to be spoken of, just limitedly. Also the pages should be allowed to filled in, because some episodes are now existent ones and thus it'd make sense to allow for their information to be shared. EmpressYzma (talk)

I think morally the thing to do would be to not add leaked material. But I guess it's always going to be a "hot topic" for people to discuss, so maybe some sort of measure to limit or redirect the discussion of leaked material (i.e. offsite such as a dedicated Discord channel)? 51.7.131.55 address (talk) 00:39, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Will the Ambox template be necessary for the rest of Season 8 once the rumors are proven fact that Canada's Treehouse TV will be airing weekly episodes two at a time? -DJ Lucifera (talk) 04:25, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Are you asking about whether discussion will be allowed after the episodes air on Treehouse TV? If so, the answer is yes, as that is an official airing, even though it's not on Discovery Family.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 04:57, April 14, 2018 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 
Discussion is allowed? Don't you mean "still not allowed"? Since they aired on Canada'a Treehouse TV predating their American TV premiere on Discovery Family. -DJ Lucifera (talk) 15:36, April 14, 2018 (UTC)
An official airing is an official airing, doesn't matter where - it's a legitimate release of the episode. The only reason it was decided to restrict discussion on the leaks is because they were illegitimately released.
Plus, it also helps that all the episodes that will be airing early have a set airdate on Discovery Family (I can't remember if discussion was allowed on the Polish release of the Magical Movie Night Equestria Girls specials - since the English version was available as an alternative audio option - until the specials got a set airdate on Discovery Family. I feel like it was, though)-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 10:41, April 15, 2018 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 

(sigh) Well, now what? Should users be allowed to comment about these episodes as they please now? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 11:05, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

I guess so. The situation, in essence, is similar to previous international early releases. But also not quite, because while those episodes are in Finnish, there is already an English translation available to most of them. I would at the very least suggest allowing to freely discuss episode 12, as well as share pictures from other episodes. Vengir (talkcontributions) 11:43, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
  • The Finland dub wasn't stolen like the leaks were, so these episodes are completely legal! We just can't do transcripts since it's not in English, but we can talk about the footage! That's what I think should be done! ;) --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 15:38, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

Some preliminary stipulations, then, taking all above input into account:

  1. Episode 12 discussion is permitted.
  2. Episode 10, 11, and 13 discussion is still limited to what's been announced or confirmed by English-language sources.
  3. Publishing character appearance info is permitted.
  4. Production info (such as cast credits) is permitted but should be kept hidden.
  5. External links to screencaps are permitted, but uploading to the Wiki is not.
  6. Sharing anything from the leaks including English-language video is not permitted.
  7. English-language transcribing (except from official sources) is still off-limits.

This is only a rudimentary draft; I'm open to amendments. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 16:04, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support If discussion also includes stats, then we're good to go! :3 --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 23:33, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
If My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Wiki:Administrator guidelines#Comment deletion didn't include "Comments in a language other than English", I would've suggested permitting Finnish-language discussion of episodes 10, 11, and 13. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:51, May 17, 2018 (UTC)
I would say open up discussion on all the episodes, but I think you're right, it would inevitably devolve into discussing content of the leaks, since those are in English (asking people to stick to what could be gleaned from the visuals of the official Finnish release would be an unrealistically high standard), so Symbol support vote Support the guidelines as written.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 08:37, May 17, 2018 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 
Okay, then if there are no objections, I guess we'll go with these guidelines until further notice. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 01:23, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
Should this also extend to leaked Equestria Girls content? That is, after the content has officially premiered, discussing leaked material pertaining to it is permitted? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:21, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
I'd take it one step further: We can include it in the main article specifically stating that this is a leaked earlier version that was different from the aired version. Because of that, its canonicity is debatable.
BenRG - I Hope to Keep This Peaceful (talk) 17:25, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
"Canonicity" aside, the leaked version was not meant to be publicly available, so I'm not sure about featuring such information on the mainspace or outside of comments. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 18:01, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

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Symbol support vote Support - the same rules should apply for the leaked EG content. It can be discussed in the comments, but should not be added to the articles.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 04:18, February 8, 2019 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 

Why'd this get removed? Tiny Pop's broadcast is neither non-English nor a leak, so we've no need to wait for Discovery Family's broadcast. (7)6(four) (talk) 04:12, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. As much as I don't like it, I don't see any reason to not add the summary and transcript right away.-- Undisguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.pngJonny Manztalkcontribse-mailedit count 04:37, June 7, 2018 (UTC)Disguised_Nyx_by_AibotNya.png 

Any source(s) for The Hearth's Warming Club supposedly being season 8 episode 14 in production (not Zap2it) order? Omitting leak-exclusive information is one thing, but including (leak-disproven) speculation would be going too far. (7)6(four) (talk) 13:22, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Late answer but now we have sourced info. A Matter of Principals is episode 14 in production order. It will air in Australia on July 29 after The Mean 6 which will be day ealier and they go by production order. Kuco28 (talk) 12:32, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

It appears there's already fully-colored screencaps leaked on a different website (one of which involves a certain character returning this season). Can stats be added now or do we still have to wait for a proper English (Australian or American) airing to add stats? -DJ Lucifera (talk) 05:14, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

As those are never-leaked officially-released foreign-language episodes, it seems fair to follow the same procedure as with episode 12. As such, I believe that you should be allowed to post the stats. Vengir (talkcontributions) 07:35, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

PSA: https://derpibooru.org/tags/rosetta+nebula is a fan-misspelled typo, not the official spelling of Unknown Woman's leaked name. (7)6(four) (talk) 00:35, October 10, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 15:30, October 10, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 15:46, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Was that alleged leak Generation 5 picture confirm? I don't want the show to end with Season 9, and neither do the crew. Then again, it could continue through the comics like Invader Zim and Avatar.Whitehorse24 (talk) 14:18, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

This forum is for discussing how leaked materials are to be treated on the Wiki, not for discussing the content of leaked materials itself. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:36, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion: Have an heading named "Unconfirmed or Leaked Information" under each relevant main-space article. Then hide it behind an expandable template that must be opened by the user to be read. Therefore, the individual user must choose to see the information.

Above the expandable template, have a large message template warning that this information is not to be discussed in the Comments Section or the Chat.

BenRG - I Hope to Keep This Peaceful (talk) 20:11, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

A number of Wikis I frequent do this. Its effectiveness is debatable, but with proper moderation, it's worth considering. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:04, December 1, 2018 (UTC)
Then i must say though, I'd be concerned about what Callofduty4 said above. ppxBrYn.png
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Does this removal indicate stance-change? (7)6(four) (talk) 15:44, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

I would have been okay with shortening it, but it should not have been removed entirely. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 15:52, January 12, 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I removed it as I thought since Season 8 is over, it didn't matter so much but I like the little one you've replaced it with Impy. ppxBrYn.png
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For Friendship is Magic animated media#Best Gift Ever animated shorts and/or My Little Pony Best Gift Ever/Animated shorts, may production-order numbering be noted? (7)6(four) (talk) 20:36, February 5, 2019 (UTC)

Re: "Let's not make any overt guesses here":

What overt guesses? (7)6(four) (talk) 00:03, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Guesses as to exactly how much of the book is based on digital content and how much of it is book-exclusive. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 01:07, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
Ah, you mean this kind of thing? My use of "digital content's earlier-released novelization" (not "digital content and its earlier-released novelization") was for the sake of people who'd otherwise mistake the digital content as being based on the book (like Forgotten Friendship getting mistaken as being based on A Friendship to Remember); my apologies if it backfired and looked like assumption too much. (7)6(four) (talk) 01:46, February 7, 2019 (UTC)