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TheRequiemEmpire(talkcontributionsblock loglogsrights)
Hello my friends,

I hope you're all well and you had a great new year and have enjoyed the holidays/new years celebrations. I wanted to (as best as I can) humbly put myself forward for the role of bureaucrat. I feel I'd make a good bureaucrat because I feel that I've shown unquestionable dedication and commitment to the community and I feel I've shown great initiative in pointing the Wiki in the right direction to encourage user interaction and trying to find a way to get more users to stay.

I also feel I'd make good use of the rights because if this renewal goes well and we get more editors (yay) then we'd naturally have more nominees for rights. At the moment, we only have Imperfect and Jonny Manz after loosing two other bureaucrats and I feel it'd be nice to have a third admin able to add and remove the same level of user access rights.

I know I'm not perfect, I completely understand that - but I really do care about this place. I've been here for 7 years now and still to this day want to keep it going.

What do we say folks?

 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs

00:55, January 13, 2019 (UTC)


Symbol support vote Support 343/Requiem is one of the more active admins on the Wiki at the moment and has not only been diligent in keeping articles spam/vandalism-free but is also passionate about improving the Wiki's overall community experience. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 03:50, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support As Imperfect said, 343 has been active on the wiki for a long time and always trying to improve the experience for everyone, as well as build the community and keep it civil. ~Bobogoobo (talk) Lyra_speaks_S2E25.png 04:27, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support You're not a Bureaucrat yet? Yes, a thousand times over. 343 has shown to be one of the most compassionate, understanding admins of the wiki. As for the mistakes, they're extremy minute and he always bounces back. He's more of less the server creator and usually very active there. He tries to improve the experience for everyone and he is genuinely a nice guy. Go for it! You have my vote.  Crimson "Valent" Azure talk   Rarwx7r.png   05:11, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment Comment I don't about "very active" with Disocrd in mind with the exception of the last week you'd get a few messages every few days.

 Dax | Talk VeroDDz.gif 06:26, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment Comment He's not the server creator either, not that it means anything either way. DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)uFz3Sbv.gif 07:40, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote Oppose with all due respect, I have my own reasons to oppose this, so bear with me as I explain them. Normally I don't get involved in these requests and things that normally do not affect my own areas of interest, but being a bureaucrat does, and it affects quite a lot of things. I for one don't see it as a milestone achievement or something that one should have due to a lack of it, or anything else. It is a position of power that I personally think not everyone needs, neither does everyone qualify for it. There are multiple factors that I'd personally consider, and while I don't see a need to explain them with this amount of detail, I'll still try my best to explain my rationale as this is, in fact, important to me and probably anyone who cares about the wiki in the first place.

As the first and perhaps most important fact, we have edits and activity, and quite frankly, I don't see much of either whether on the chat or the wiki itself aside from the current boost in activity which has been going on for about the duration of January. Now I understand that there are such things as being busy and having real life issues to deal with and being available whenever messaged and such, but at the same time, I've seen multiple long term hiatuses coming from you, and in some cases even a disconnection stemming from said lack of activity. While I appreciate the current efforts you've been taking recently, I feel like some are even things that have already been proposed before and rejected or left alone for various reasons which go back to my first point of disconnection.

As my second point, I'd like to talk about behaviour. While 343, Requiem or Jake, whichever you'd like to call him does his best to always be calm, understanding and level headed, the issue arises for the few times I've seen him fail to do so, and there are times when I'm personally concerned about it. This is the part where the chat experience comes up, as it tends to be where you'd see such things where there are no well written long letters and messages. But personally, I've been concerned about some of the dramatisation and distrust I've seen, in one case leading to an admin accusing another admin of possible gross misconduct out of almost thin air in a state of panic and going through drastic measures for something which normally wouldn't be as massive of an issue. There's also the effects of a recent event related to Wikia which left quite a bit of impact on him which could be felt constantly and almost left me concerned with it as perhaps his reaction was much more emotional than expected. There's also one last matter which is the frustration about being an admin which also shows itself sometimes at least on the chat, whether in 'joke' form, mentioning everyone waiting until they can start a demotion forum for enabling a disabled feature out of nowhere or unironically, saying that the life of admin is being doomed if you do and being doomed if you don't which while understandable in a harsh situation, raises my third and last concern.

This may only have one effect and that's putting even more of a spotlight on you and you, Jake, do you think you're ready for the responsibility that comes with it? Because there are often many and many people who may disagree with what you'd think or outright dislike your methods for their own reason. Do you think you can deal with them well enough? This forum began with controversy and trolling, although while I think trolling itself doesn't mean anything but trolling, it's coming from people who'd otherwise do nothing and people who may have had an issue with how you've done things in the past and present. Do you think you're ready to try and stay calm about it, and is it worth an extra tag to possibly go under even more pressure to do a few more things? Because personally, the only right I'd say matters even more than bureaucrat to me is check user, which also happened to be the last thing you nominated yourself for. I myself see these as huge responsibilities and things that some would hardly accept without thinking properly, let alone requesting to have it. So I hope you're ready to accept any sort of criticism that might come because of something you'd do and the concerns it may raise, of course, if a valid criticism. I personally feel like you might need even more time and activity around to consider it and for me to clearly tell if I can support or not, but until then, I can't see you being ready and active enough for it despite all the experience and time around. DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)uFz3Sbv.gif 09:37, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Hey thundermare. Thank you for taking the time to leave your feedback on my forum. Some of the things you’ve mentioned I feel the need to reply to. So, when it comes to the whole “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” this is not me hating my position. It’s a true fact about being in a position of responsibility anywhere in life. Sometimes, in situations - it’s unavoidable. We see it a lot in real life situations. Now, I’m not a trump supporter but for the sake of showing what I mean. Trump would be condemned for building the wall but he’d also be condemned for not building a wall. Because if he didn’t, he wouldn’t furfil his election promise and if he did, majority of Americans don’t agree with it. (According to the latest poll). I certainly do feel I’m ready for the extra responsibility but I’d also like to say that every situation you have referred to has been on Discord. Being a bureaucrat has no affect in Discord. At all. Bureaucrat is something for the Wiki. These concerns you have, never have happened on the wiki itself. I have flaws and I’d never dare to try and say I’m perfect but I’m always trying to better myself so I can be the best I can be. Becoming a bureaucrat doesn’t give me checkuser rights and I won’t be applying for that in future. It seems our community no longer has a need for that tool. In terms of the trolling, I only blocked one of those accounts and that’s because they randomly joined and defaced the forums. I refused to block the other accounts, despite being told by people I could. Reason being is I didn’t want to come across as someone who couldn’t handle something like that. They were later blocked by a fellow admin for indefinite. I’m sorry you feel you cannot support me at the moment thunder. I really appreciate the time you’ve taken to express your views and I hope in the future, I can impress you enough that you have no reservations. Kind regards, 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
09:50, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
I know that it does not concern the Discord at all, and the only reason I'm leaving feedback on here as well is the fact that I at least once was a contributor myself. But the fact is, are you a different person on Discord to the wiki? I'm aware of the fact that things work differently, and much more civilised, which is why I brought up the first point and perhaps part of the third. I appreciate your calm and concern and your appreciation for the wiki and your will to make it better, and I understand the fact that sometimes under pressure things may happen. However, there are often concerns and complaints about this and I decided to have a say on this on behalf of many others who for whatever reasons decided not to raise theirs or at least not yet do so. It doesn't directly affect the Discord, but it affects the wiki as a whole which is why I brought up experiences and questions from both. DgihKkh.gifThundermare  (Talk page)uFz3Sbv.gif 10:11, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
I understand you’re doing what you feel is best for the community and I appreciate that a lot. I’d ask for no different from you. I have my reasons why I find Discord challenging sometimes but it’s not something I want to add here but let’s just say, the wiki platform is something I have always dealt with much better. It’s not a case of being a different person, it’s how things work and the structure. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
10:17, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol support vote Support One more bureaucrat won't damage. Gurte(Talk) 10:38, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote Oppose While it's obviously not my place, and I mean no disrespect to the other admins but I'm not entirely sure they are aware of 343's state that Marey has mentioned above. I also feel that there maybe an issue in short one sentence supports that fail to show any discussion or thought.  Dax | Talk VeroDDz.gif 10:50, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Hello, whilst I appreciate you taking part I feel you’re making a decision based on one side of the coin. I’d ask you to be open minded because you didn’t see 90% of what Marey has mentioned above so don’t know the full story. Regards 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
10:52, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
No, I read it, and I agree with her concerns that anything that happens on the Discord may upset you or cause you to make poor decisions affecting it and the Wiki. The two are seperate platforms but become increasingly linked as you go up the food chain.

 Dax | Talk VeroDDz.gif 10:59, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

What happens on Discord has never affected my decisions on the Wiki. We have to remember, in already an admin. Me being a bureaucrat doesn’t change that aspect. If what happened on Discord could’ve affected me in the Wiki, I could’ve done it a long long time ago. That’s never happened because I would never dare abuse my position for my own personal gain like that. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
11:02, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
I’d also like to point out I’ve been an admin for almost 4 years and that’s never happened. 343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
11:10, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps you misunderstood. What I'm mentioning is that as Marey brought up you'd be subjected to further criticism as a Bcrat, which as shown from your picture of the wiki chat functions could lead to you making a poor decision, akin to a certain incident in the past.

 Dax | Talk VeroDDz.gif 11:19, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

I understand there’s nothing I can say to persuade you but I can absolutely promise you and everyone in the community that would never happen. It’s never happened before and it would never happen. I truly do not see myself capable of doing that. It goes against all my morals and guidance of life. I’m an admin of this wiki because I care about it an awful lot. I could never do something that would harm it like that.  343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
11:23, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote oversat Strong oppose - I simply cannot, in good faith, support this. There are a few reasons why, and I've been pretty silent about most of the things I'm going to mention in this post until now as I felt there was no place for me to be vocal about them, but with this nomination I feel this is the right time to make my thoughts known. Please understand that this post is not meant to attack or insult, but there are some points that I think need to be considered by anyone reading this forum.

To put it bluntly, I do not think 343 is befitting of the qualities of a bureaucrat. To me, a bureaucrat is a well-established leader of the community that presides quietly, maintains order, and doesn't pick battles. I've been on this wiki for almost 7 years now, even reaching admin status myself, and I've been observing his behavior for most of that time as he came along shortly after me. Simply put, it doesn't line up with my idea of how a bureaucrat should behave one bit. Sure, like some of the other posters here have said, he's very active on the wiki and has been working to improve it for a long time now. But quite frankly, the idea of putting him into such an elevated position of power is very concerning, especially considering his behavior over the past few months and weeks in particular.

Admin presence in the chat has always been understandably low. Wiki admins have an important role taking care of the majority of work around the wiki, so it's fair that they aren't around as much. Back in the Special:Chat days this wasn't really an issue. Since the switch to Discord, however, the need for someone with administrative controls grew, hence the rise of the Discord Operator role. This role was first mentioned a few times on the server and finally put to the test in this forum, which is where my concerns with 343's more recent behavior begins. His reason for opposing the forum, to me, was and still is simply jarring. I can understand opposing the creation of a new elevated role due to it being simply unnecessary, but the idea of such a role existing seemed to be more personal than that. 343 constantly asserts that he believes giving elevated permissions to a few hand-picked, long-time moderators of the chat to provide housekeeping services around the server when the admins are away would be insulting to the wiki admins. He claims that it would tarnish the good name of the wiki's leaders, elevating them to a position that was otherwise earned through much harder work, and seems to believe that it would make the current admins "redundant." I simply don't understand this - we've applied the same idea on the wiki with the creation of other roles such as comment control and image control. What's with this concern of taking power away from the admins? Shouldn't it be a weight taken off of their shoulders? This paranoia was further asserted in the second forum on Discord Operators, where "Discord Operators are not there to replace administrators" was placed among the discussion topics. Why was this included? Nobody has ever mentioned this idea besides him. Honestly, this is pretty scary to me as it leads me to believe that 343 is mainly concerned with holding onto his power. This is absolutely not something that is appropriate for a bureaucrat.

Something else a bureaucrat should not be doing is pointing fingers and acting with bias. I wasn't around when it happened, but based on accounts that have been given to me, 343's handling of the recent mod channel leaker event was abysmal. He immediately began to point fingers at anyone he could, even going as far as to baselessly accuse one of his fellow admins of such an act. Other members of staff were acting calmly while 343 launched into a full on "witch hunt" as another member of staff called it (I can provide screencaps of this incident if asked). More recently, specifically on this very forum, some spam comments were left and later removed, which was fine. What got me was that another user, Aphelion112 (a long-time member of this community, mind you), left a legitimate post regarding the matter and it was very quickly removed as he was deemed guilty by association with absolutely no proof. That is absolutely unfair and not tolerable.

On an unrelated note: I should also mention that CelestiaOfEquestria was unfairly punished for the post he left on this forum. Yeah, it was a "troll post," which I'm not advocating for, but he was given a warning about doing so and that was it. That's all that it should have been. Then he was indefinitely blocked 2 hours later after already being given a warning? That's just not right. Cel has been a member of this community since 2011, so it's hardly fair for him to be indefinitely blocked on the basis of a single troll post with the reason "disruption-only account."

To wrap it up, I absolutely cannot support this nomination. The behavior I've seen from 343 is just not the behavior that a bureaucrat exhibits, and I would be very concerned with someone that has acted in such a manner being given that level of power. I've been making posts on forums like this for years now trying to call attention to 343's behavior, and it's always been written off as having occured long in the past and not applicable anymore because he's changed for the better. For 7 years that argument has been made to debunk any claims. Honestly, I think it's only gotten worse. During all that time I have never witnessed anything more alarming than the incidents I brought up in this post. If we're really running low on bureaucrats, there are others who are more deserving of the role who would gladly step up to the plate if given the opportunity. TheUltimateH4M Talk 14:34, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

I... I just don’t know what to say. This hurts me to the core so much I almost feel completely worthless. That may not be what you intended but it’s certainly what’s come across. You e basically said im terrible at my role and all I want is power. I just can’t answer this. It hurts me too much. Nevertheless, thanks for contributing I guess.  343TheGuiltyProphet - Contact - Contibs
14:42, January 13, 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment Comment Regarding CelestiaOfEquestria's block, I was the one who extended it to be indefinite. Their previous block was lifted for reasons of "clemency for good behavior", and their first contribution in four years was a troll post on a Wiki forum? Where did this "good behavior" suddenly go? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 15:30, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Closed - TheRequiemEmpire has asked to withdraw his nomination. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:45, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

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