Forum:ShowToyComparison/Archive 1

Cheerilee

The following is a comparison between the 2010 McDonald's Happy Meal toy Cheerilee and the character on the show. The character was unnamed when the toy came out, and in order to give an example of the comparison that was done at that time I will give the name of the show character as "unknown".

2010 McDonald's Happy Meal Cheerilee

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Cheerilee	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth	earth	yes
Cutie mark	three smiling flowers, round and with pink petals	one smiling flower, round and with pink petals	yes, same objects but different number
Coat color	fuchsia	fuchsia	yes
Mane color	pink with light streak	pink	yes, without the streak
Eye color	green	green	yes
Other

From the above comparison I conclude that they're the same character as far as is currently known. –Throwawaytv 13:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just to share a fact, she has been called Cheerilee in the show now. --Pikmanipulator 01:17, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Heartstrings

The following is a comparison between the November 2011 Surprise Bag Heartstrings and an unnamed character on the show.

2011 Surprise Bag Heartstrings

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Heartstrings	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	lyre	lyre	yes
Coat color	light turquoise	light turquoise	yes
Mane color	pale cyan with light streak	pale cyan	yes, without the streak
Eye color	yellow-orange	yellow-orange	yes
Other

From the above comparison I conclude that they're the same character as far as is currently known. –Throwawaytv 13:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I got the Wave 3 toy and Heartstrings was made a much more darker , pretty much "Irish" version of green. Not sure if that means anything, but it's worth putting it out there. --Smuff^{[The cake is a lie]} 21:14, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

By "Irish green" I mean the same colour as that on the card. --Smuff^{[The cake is a lie]} 21:23, January 26, 2012 (UTC).

That is interesting. Bronies might get their Lyra back yet. –Throwawaytv 22:02, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'll see if I can pick up a Heartstrings tomorrow and confirm. --Kinrah 22:15, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I picked up a Heartstrings. Her coat color is darker than the picture would suggest; I just tried taking some pictures of it and they turned out the same color as the picture above. See below for a comparison:

(table removed, it's apparently causing the visual editor to break)

Where the first two colors are sourced from the picture above, and the third is sourced from my comparing the actual toy to the screen as I picked the color. --Kinrah 14:40, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's darker than the original photo but it still looks highly similar to the character on the show:

http://i.imgur.com/QZytz.jpg

I think it's safe to keep the name. –Throwawaytv 15:21, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah sorry, I said it from memory, looks like I remembered it wrongly. Never mind then! *shifty eyes* --Smuff^{[The cake is a lie]} 16:35, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Comment I found out what made the visual mode stop working. It's the table above (the colorcells, probably). Kinrah, could you approximate the same result just with HTML? It would re-enable the visual mode and make it easier for inexperienced users to add comparisons. --Tulipclaymore 17:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I removed the table but it still drops straight into source mode. The only other complex code I can see in this section is Smuff's signature. --Kinrah 23:55, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

After testing this with an older version of the page and with the whole thing, not just a section: I need to remove a) your table, b) the two resize templates in the entries for Nurse Redheart and Royal Riff, and c) the first two instances of Smuff's signature. Then I can switch to Visual mode. It doesn't seem to be the signature per se that does it, just having three copies of it in one section, which is very peculiar. --Tulipclaymore 01:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Lyra Heartstrings

The toy looks even less like Lyra than her predecessor. Thankfully there are no rabid fans this time because Hasbro used the name the bronies like. –Throwawaytv 11:59, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mmm... In my opinion, she looks more like Lyra, because her hair has a streak and she is not so dark. 201.19.63.252 23:20, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

The toy is more important than the image on the card, though, and the toy's colours are off (the hair colour should be lighter than the body's). --Tulipclaymore 23:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Trixie

The following is a comparison between the November 2011 Surprise Bag Lulamoon and Trixie.

2011 Surprise Bag Lulamoon and Trixie

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Trixie	Lulamoon	No
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	A wand with a star at the end, and a crescent with stars around the star	A wand with a star at the end, and a crescent with stars around the star	yes
Coat color	blue	blue	yes
Mane color	light blue with an even lighter streak	same as coat because it's a "glitter" toy	no, on account of being a "glitter" toy
Eye color	purple	light pink	not quite
Other	Glitter toys have the same mane color as their coat color.

I can't really conclude that they're the same pony, but it seems very likely. Either way, material on the show take precedence over all other official material. –Throwawaytv 14:18, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's been confirmed: Trixie and Lulamoon are the same pony. --Pikmanipulator 17:59, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Golden Harvest

Golden Harvest

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Golden Harvest	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth	earth	yes
Cutie mark	three carrots	two carrots	yes
Coat color	light yellow	light yellow	yes
Mane color	usually orange, green as a one-time gag	orange	yes
Eye color	green	green	yes
Other

From the above comparison I conclude that the character on the show and the toy represent the same character as far as is currently known. –Throwawaytv 22:32, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Minuette

The following is a comparison between the November 2011 Surprise Bag Minuette and an unnamed character on the show.

2011 Surprise Bag Minuette

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Minuette	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	hourglass	hourglass	yes
Coat color	light blue	light blue	yes
Mane color	dark blue with ice streak	same as coat because it's a "glitter" toy	no, on account of being a "glitter" toy
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Other

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikmanipulator (talk • contribs) 20:22, 30 December 2011

This is a talk page. Sign your comments. You forgot to write a conclusion too. –Throwawaytv 07:35, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Thought that was your job. Ahem.

Based on the above information, I believe that the character on the show and the toy represent the same character as far as is currently known. --Pikmanipulator 16:12, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Amethyst Star

2011 Surprise Bag Amethyst Star

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Amethyst Star	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	three brilliant-cut diamonds	three brilliant-cut diamonds	yes
Coat color	pink	purple	not quite
Mane color	violet with light streak	same as coat because it's a "glitter" toy	not quite
Eye color	violet	violet	yes
Other

This one is a little tougher due to inaccurate colors, but I believe that the toy was made to represent the character on the show. --Pikmanipulator 16:27, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Twinkleshine

The following is a comparison between an unnamed character on the show and a Playful Pony and Surprise Bag toy named Twinkleshine.

2010 Surprise Bag and Playful Pony Twinkleshine

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Twinkleshine	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	three light blue stars	three sky blue stars	yes
Coat color	white	pink	no
Mane color	pink	pink with purple streak	yes, without the streak
Eye color	sky blue	sky blue	yes
Other

From the above comparison, it's hard to say whether these characters represent the same character or not. The differences between the character on the show and the Playful Pony are the most extreme. Even so, the cutie mark is hard to ignore. It is my belief that the toys and the character on the show represent the same character as far as is currently known, and that the difference in coat color is probably another case of what happened with Princess Celestia's toy. --Pikmanipulator 01:04, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it's likely but it's not really clear. Going only by sex, kind, cutie mark and eye color, while the coat and mane are slightly off is too much of a stretch for me. That's why I'd rather wait for futher clarification by more toys or appearances on the show.

You accidentally called the toy a surprise bag toy. It's actually a Playful Ponies toy. –Throwawaytv 09:59, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that while Princess Celestia is pink in the toys, she's still white in the toys' artwork. Twinkleshine, on the other hand, is pink in both her Playful Ponies artwork and her surprise bag artwork. 64.118.126.158 11:53, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Throwawaytv: It's both. Twinkleshine has both a surprise bag toy and a Playful Ponies toy. --Pikmanipulator 17:50, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

@64.118.126.158: That might be because Twinkle has no official artwork of her own to speak of, so the people of the toy line had to create their own. And of course it would have made more sense for them to match the colors with the toy they had produced. --Pikmanipulator 21:53, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I strongly believe that the toys named "Twinkleshine" were based on that show character 201.19.63.252 22:57, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

All in favor of renaming Twinkle's page "Twinkleshine", say "aye". --Pikmanipulator 20:08, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Could someone who's good with image editing find out if Twinkleshine's color scheme is an altered version of Twinkle's color scheme (like 201.19.58.65 did for Goldengrape below)? 76.9.78.163 00:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Aye!! And oh! It was me, with Goldengrape's color scheme! :D Mmm, maybe I can try with her, too... 187.78.164.117 00:48, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Mmm... Well, if you get the character's coat and mane colors, and change the color balance to max red, magenta and blue on the three kinds of tones (Shadows, midtones and highlights), they become the same colors as Twinkleshine's. I really think they pretty much "pinkified" her about the same way they did with Celestia. Or! Another option: There is this G2 toy called "Princess Twinkle Star", who looks a lot like Twinkleshine, except for having wings and her cutie mark had more blue stars. Hasbro could have asked to make a character like her, so they could bring her back as a toy with a different name (and species), and Studio B "de-pinkified" her, for differing from Pinkie Pie or something (which may also explain the purple streak on the toy). 187.78.164.117 01:50, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to see pictures of Twinkleshine and Goldengrape with their said color modifications, just to see the connection. Just out of curiosity. Anyway, does this settle things? Any objections to renaming Twinkle's article? --Pikmanipulator 02:22, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, no objections at all. And okay, I'll give you the images tomorrow, 'cuse I have to sleep right now. 187.78.164.117 04:14, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Image: http://i41.tinypic.com/sonvkj.jpg 187.78.164.117 22:14, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

So... Is she gonna be renamed or what? 187.126.88.11 00:53, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I've been waiting to see if anyone else would object. Since nobody has, I'll get to it some time tomorrow. --Pikmanipulator 02:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

And done. --Pikmanipulator 22:33, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Red Gala

The following is a comparison between the November 2011 Surprise Bag toy Crimson Gala and Red Gala.

2011 Surprise Bag Crimson Gala and Red Gala

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Red Gala	Crimson Gala	almost
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth	earth	yes
Cutie mark	three cupcakes with green frosting and an apple slice on top of each	three cupcakes with green frosting	yes, neglecting the lack of apples on the toy
Coat color	pale pink	light red	not quite
Mane color	yellow-green	same as coat because it's a "glitter" toy	no, on account of being a "glitter" toy
Eye color	green	green	yes
Other

From the above comparison, it's hard to say if they're the same pony or not, but it seems likely. Anyway, material on the show supercedes all other material. --Pikmanipulator 05:04, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think in this case it's clear that they are the same character, but Hasbro was using a trademark-able name. Generally though, the lack of mane color makes it hard to draw a comparison. –Throwawaytv 10:21, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Crimson Gala could also be the unnamed pink pony at the bottom-left of this screenshot. 76.9.86.163 19:54, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent call. –Throwawaytv 18:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

The mane and tail style is different, but that appears to be Pink Pearl / Cotton Candy / Candy Apple. If you're serious about giving that pony the name Crimson Gala, I would suggest renaming that one. --Pikmanipulator 04:58, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Er, ignore what I just said. I realized that Pink Pearl's cutie mark is simply three apple slices, not cupcakes. --Pikmanipulator 21:34, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Another possible Crimson Gala. 76.9.86.163 14:11, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Merry May

The following is a comparison between the Surprise Bag toy Merry May and Merry May (previously known as Flora).

2011 Surprise Bag Merry May

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Merry May	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	pegasus	pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	three suns	three flowers	similar look, not the same objects
Coat color	green	green	yes
Mane color	purple	same as coat because it's a "glitter" toy	no, on account of being a "glitter" toy
Eye color	purple	purple	yes
Other	cutie mark (click)

I can't get over the cutie mark. This isn't like Carrot Top/Golden Harvest where it's a question of two carrots vs. three carrots. Maybe better-quality images of both the toy card and the show pony would reveal that the cutie marks are, in fact, the same, but they don't look the same to me. On the other hand, I couldn't find another background pony that matches the toy better. So, difficult. --Tulipclaymore 05:58, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

We probably should have never started using the glitter pony toys since they lack the mane color. Is there really a concensus that they should be used? Like Vinnie says, "hair counts, you know." –Throwawaytv 12:03, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind using them when the rest of their appearance fairly clearly matches a specific background pony (with Colgate/Minuette, for instance, is there really another existing pony the toy could also represent?). They're not ideal for identification, of course, but neither are the properly-coloured blind bag toys. --Tulipclaymore 22:35, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Zing! –Throwawaytv 22:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Note that the card is that she loves flowers. Maybe those are flowers. - ANON 76.175.0.214 —Preceding undated comment added 08:28, 22 January 2012.

Good point. –Throwawaytv 11:33, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are pretty obviously flowers with a medium-sized yellow centre and rounded petals. On the toy. Just not in the show, where it's three suns with a huge yellow centre and spiky rays (like this pony has). And I just saw that I mixed the two up in the chart; fixed that. --Tulipclaymore 21:50, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Since the toy's cutie mark is a different object from the show, I believe that the similarity is nothing but a coincidence. I think they must be different characters 201.19.63.252 23:00, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Everything else (that the toy shows) matches, so my guess is that they intended for her to be the same pony but the exact nature of her cutie mark got lost in translation. 76.9.72.161 21:40, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I emailed Hasbro about this issue and had a discussion with an employee. This is the only part that is really relevant here. I was initially asking as to whether or not Sassaflash was really supposed to be the yellow-haired pegasus, but I went ahead and asked about Merry May too, and as you can see, this reply pertains more to Merry May than Sassaflash. It doesn't really answer anything, but I thought I should show it. --Pikmanipulator 05:05, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Only the first three waves of mystery packs have been officially released, so maybe Hasbro will be able to give more specific answers about wave 4 ponies like Merry May and Sassaflash once they become available in stores. 76.9.72.161 05:41, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that will make a difference, and I honestly don't want to bother them with the same question more than once. Also, if Wave 4 hasn't been released yet, then why have I been saying in their articles that they were released in November 2011? --Pikmanipulator 15:54, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

November 2011 is when Waves 3 & 4 were leaked. I've actually been meaning to bring that up—this wiki seems to consider the toys' release dates to be the dates they were first leaked on rather than the dates they were officially made available for purchase, and that doesn't seem like the way release dates should be handled. 76.9.78.163 19:10, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I strongly urge you to pursue that issue, then. --Pikmanipulator 20:05, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have, on another forum page. 76.9.78.163 00:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

This photo will be better for show image. Mimi15 11:03, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think this would be even better. --Pikmanipulator 15:24, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Mimi15 08:20, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Lucky Dreams

The following is a comparison between the Blind Bag toy Lucky Dreams and an unnamed pony.

2012 Blind Bag Lucky Dreams and an unnamed pony

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Lucky Dreams	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	pegasus	pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	raindrops	horseshoe surrounded by blue hearts	no
Coat color	pale green	pale green	yes
Mane color	turquoise	turquoise and white	almost
Eye color	goldenrod	green	no
Other

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I looked through the whole List of ponies, and couldn't find another pony similar to this toy. Also, the pony is unnamed, so... Lord of Shadows ^{Words mean nothing!}

What's with the rush? If the identification is not good, then don't change the name of the character on the list of ponies. –Throwawaytv 11:05, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Her cutie mark is might be ice-cubes, but might be squarish flowers or a particularly sharp-pointed cloud. I can't get a good screenshot; if you have a high-quality 1080i source (not the one on YouTube) you might be able to identify the cutie mark. –Throwawaytv 11:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Just to throw my two cents in, I thought that if the distance filter were to be removed, the pony would have the same color scheme as Raindrops, just with a different mane/tail style, making the mark three raindrops. --Kinrah 21:41, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

If anyone has the 1080p iTunes video they might be able to get a good image. –Throwawaytv 11:17, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

This photo will be better for toy image and toy cutie mark is a blue horseshoe surrounded by blue hearts. Mimi15 11:08, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Chance-A-Lot

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Caramel	Chance-A-Lot	no
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth	Earth	yes
Cutie mark	three horseshoes	three horseshoes	yes
Coat color	light brown	brownish yellow	yes
Mane color	brown	brownish yellow, sparkly	no, because it's a glitter toy
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Other	similar cutie marks, but not arranged in the same way; division between hooves and legs on the toy (because it's a recoloured Big Mac image), but in the same colour

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Chance-A-Lot	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth	Earth	yes
Cutie mark	three horseshoes	three horseshoes	yes
Coat color	light brown	brownish yellow	yes
Mane color	brown	brownish yellow	no, because it's a glitter toy
Eye color	green	blue	no
Other	identical cutie mark; lighter hoof colour not represented in the toy

This one is annoyingly more difficult to call than I'd expected it to be. The most glaring difference between the pony we currently call Chance-A-Lot and the toy the name comes from is the eye colour, which should be given special attention to because it's a glitter toy and there isn't much else that can reasonably be compared. That the toy and the image on the card as a whole resemble "Creme Brulee" more than Caramel is a function of Hasbro's lazinesscost efficiency; all the male mystery pack ponies use the same design and the same Big Macintosh image on the card, coloured in differently.
I still think the Chance-A-Lot toy is probably intended to be a Caramel toy with a trademarkable name (see also Daisy, Rose, Trixie). But the toy cutie mark matches "Creme Brulee"'s perfectly, and Caramel's is slightly different. At the very least, we should mention in the toy in Caramel's merchandise section. --Tulipclaymore 09:41, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Eeyup. –Throwawaytv 14:13, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

You put "green" under the toy's eye color. –Throwawaytv 14:24, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Caramel isn't a trademarkable name? —Pikmanipulator 20:39, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Probably not. You probably can't say Caramel is distinctive. –Throwawaytv 09:57, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Caramel's cutie mark is slightly different in that shot, but it matches perfectly in other shots. (Also, shouldn't it be "Chance-a-Lot" instead of "Chance-A-Lot" since "Sir Lints-a-lot" has a lowercase A?) 76.9.75.245 01:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, I mean "Chance-a-lot" (since "Sir Lints-a-lot" also has a lowercase L). Anyway, some examples of Caramel (and Pegasus Caramel) with the exact same cutie mark as the toy. Anyone else agree that Chance-a-lot is Caramel rather than that other pony? 76.9.87.146 09:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. It was narrow decision last time, primarily because of the cutie mark. With that out of the way, we're left with: Creme Brulee's build matches the toy more, but that's because there's only the one male mold; Caramel's eye colour matches the toy, Creme Brulee's does not; Caramel is also the far more common pony, and we know by now that Hasbro often chooses colours for new toy designs from the more common background ponies (or, which is also possible, Hasbro does the choosing beforehand and tells Studio B which ponies to feature more). --Tulipclaymore 11:37, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

If there's no further objection, I'll return the current Chance-a-lot to his previous name Creme Brulee in the next few days, and create a placeholder poll at the same time. I'll also change Rays and Green Grapes then. --Tulipclaymore 18:32, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, do that. And I think you should change Twinklehsine too. 187.126.99.173 21:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Apple Dazzle

Surprise bags

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Apple Dazzle	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth	earth	yes
Cutie mark	apples?	apples	unknown
Coat color	cream	cream	yes
Mane color	red and light red	red and light red	yes
Eye color	green	red	no
Other

So might they be similar? if i knew what the cutie mark was. --Mylittlewut, Friendship is Questionable 19:44, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

This seems quite similar. The cutie marks look the same as well.      23:19, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

The toy's eye color is closer to Apple Bumpkin's, so if it's any pony from the show, it's more likely to be her (with a different name). 76.9.75.245 01:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

On second thought, with the new comparison below, I'm not sure which one is closer... 76.9.78.163 00:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Here is a close up of Apple Dazzle superawesomefairyprincess. So yes, it is three candy apples. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 16:48, March 5, 2012 (UTC) edit However, needsmoarg4 compares Apple Dazzle to Apple Bumpkin. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 16:51, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

2011 Mystery Pack Apple Dazzle and Apple Bumpkin

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Apple Bumpkin	Apple Dazzle	halfway
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth	earth	yes
Cutie mark	three caramel-coated apples on sticks	three caramel-coated apples on sticks	yes
Coat color	pale tan	pale tan	yes
Mane color	red with a pink streak	red with a pink streak	yes
Eye color	orange	purple	no
Other

I believe that the toy was made to represent Apple Bumpkin, albeit with a trademarkable name along the same lines as Crimson Gala/Red Gala. However, the eye color is still different, meaning that Apple Bumpkin resembles the toy about as much as Apple Dumpling does. --Pikmanipulator 22:35, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Should we go with whichever one's eye color is closer (while still noting the other one's resemblance), then? 76.9.78.163 00:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It does look like Apple Dazzle's eye color leans toward the warmer side of the spectrum, placing it closer to Apple Bumpkin's eyes than Apple Dumpling's. And I say that's fine. --Pikmanipulator 04:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Apple Bumpkin is closer, but she already has an official name, so it doesn't really matter. The toy can be mentioned in both entries (but Apple Dumpling's placeholder name can't be replaced). --Tulipclaymore 11:28, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

This photo will be bettre for image toy. Mimi15 11:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Pepperdance

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Pepperdance	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Earth	no
Cutie mark	Whirlwind?	Jalapenos/Peppers	no
Coat color	red	red	yes
Mane color	green	green (on card)	yes
Eye color	unknown	green	unknown
Other	mane is red on the toy

It might be my opinion, but i think its her as a pegasus. --Mylittlewut, Friendship is Questionable 22:19, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

It could be her as a pegasus but the different cutie mark needs to be considered.      23:23, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Not just the cutie mark, but the difference between the toy and card is something to consider as well. Lord of Shadows ^{Words mean nothing!} 23:28, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Different kind and different cutie mark is too much of a stretch for me. Going by the card and not the toy itself is also somewhat problematic. –Throwawaytv 10:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

It would be no then for the toy, but the card does show green, like discolorings for Heartstrings has happened before. --Mylittlewut, Friendship is Questionable 23:33, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Australian and American versions of the card corrected the art to have a red mane like the toy does, so the original European version's green mane is probably just an error. 76.9.75.245 01:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Here is Pepperdance toy image. Mimi15 11:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Lily Blossom

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Lily Blossom	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	Sun with cloud	Three lilies	no
Coat color	violet	violet	yes
Mane color	goldenrod with blonde streak	blonde	yes
Eye color	purple	purple	yes
Other

The only thing that's different is the cutie mark, but we have put the cutie mark problem aside for other ponies, and this is the closest match I know of. Lord of Shadows ^{Words mean nothing!} 07:45, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Lilly Blossom has light blonde streaks but a different hair style. --Mylittlewut, Friendship is Questionable 19:46, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that just confirms it more. Lord of Shadows ^{Words mean nothing!} 20:18, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The other ponies with different-looking cutie marks still have the same objects, though (like Cheerilee's flowers and Golden Harvest's carrots). These two cutie marks are completely different. 76.9.75.245 20:35, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really hesitant to label "Cloud Kicker" as Lily Blossom. Aside from her unique design (something which can be likewise claimed by only three other ponies of the toy line), Lily Blossom has had a lot of marketing efforts put into her, being released back in Wave 1 as both a Mystery Pack toy and Playful Pony toy (and in one of those special edition bundle packs, no less) and now even appearing as a toy in the 2012 McDonald's Happy Meals. That's nothing to sneeze at; Cloud Kicker just doesn't have enough significance to warrant such things. I wouldn't be surprised if Lily Blossom is going to turn up in the show at some point--with her own unique design. --Pikmanipulator 20:46, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Lily Blossom has a lot of merchandising AND a different cutie mark from "Cloud Kicker" 201.19.63.252 23:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Besides the difference in cutie marks, Lily Blossom's Happy Meal toy uses her Playful Ponies artwork's unique mane style, so it doesn't match "Cloud Kicker" (the Happy Meal toys of the ponies from the show all have mane styles matching their appearances in the show). 76.9.78.163 17:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nurse Sweetheart

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Nurse Sweetheart	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth	Earth	yes
Cutie mark	Red cross with four pink hearts	teddy bear with red heart	no
Coat color	white	white	yes
Mane color	light pink	pink	yes
Eye color	sapphire	Light violet	Very close
Other

http://mylittlewiki.org/w/images/a/a4/Nurse_Sweetheart.jpg

I'm pretty sure the accepted name for her at this point is Redheart, but I just wanted to put the comparison. Lord of Shadows ^{Words mean nothing!} 22:48, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Non-G4 toys don't count, though, do they? 64.118.113.33 18:09, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

It's probably impossible to justify saying that toys made before the show are supposed to represent the show; I'd go with no, toys that were made before the show do not represent the show. –Throwawaytv 10:14, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

It is possible for a G4 character to be designed to look like a character from a previous continuity as a reference, but since they wouldn't actually be the same character, I'm guessing that that would just suggest the name (rather than actually stating it like a toy from the G4 continuity would). 76.9.72.161 21:40, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Royal Riff

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Royal Riff	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth	Earth	yes
Cutie mark	Two Treble Clefts	Two Treble Clefts	yes
Coat color	Gray	Blue (sparkle toy)	No
Mane color	White	Blue (sparkle toy)	No
Eye color	Yellow	Yellow	yes
Other

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Up97RVWh_68/TtBFVUe-93I/AAAAAAAAVdo/w2uHoIwsTKE/s1600/6.jpg

I still think he is Royal Riff, just a different color as a sparkle toy. --Mylittlewut, Friendship is Questionable 14:56, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I sorta agree, and would agree even more if I could find the scene his coat appears bluish-grey in. --Tulipclaymore 15:23, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thirded. 64.118.113.33 16:23, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

All agreed, then? --Tulipclaymore 14:11, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this guy is definitely Royal Riff. 201.19.63.252 23:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sassaflash

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Sassaflash	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	blue-green	blue-green	yes
Mane color	vanilla	unknown	unknown
Eye color	orange	orange	yes
Other

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Sassaflash	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	blue-green	blue-green	yes
Mane color	cerulean	unknown	unknown
Eye color	orange	orange	yes
Other

Both of these are close enough to match, so it comes down to their coat colors; I think "Wind Whistler" (the top one)'s coat is a bit closer to Sassaflash's coat than "Bluebird Happiness" (the bottom one)'s coat is. Currently, "Bluebird Happiness" is considered to be Sassaflash due to her mane color, but in my opinion, the glitter toys' mane colors are completely unknown because they're always the same as the coat color regardless of the pony's regular mane color (see Fluttershy, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash). So I believe that "Wind Whistler," not "Bluebird Happiness," is Sassaflash. 64.118.113.33 23:32, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

This may very well be the case. Three of the other glitter toys (Amethyst Star, Merry May, Minuette) are all from Pikmanipulator's "Mane 22" group, the most often reoccurring background ponies. Wind Whistler also belongs to this group. Thinking about the fact that other normal blind bag toys correspond to Mane 22 ponies (Cherry Berry, Golden Harvest, Heartstrings, Rainbowshine, Shoeshine) lends support to Hasbro getting these most common ponies out there as toys. --Kinrah 23:52, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly, but without confirmation that that is what Hasbro is doing, we can't just assume so. The process of determining who is and isn't a "new" pony and "deserves" an entry of their own is a bit arbitrary anyway, so I suppose one might delete the current Sassaflash's altogether and mention that variant on Wind Whistler's/new-Sassaflash's page, but that would set an unfortunate precedent. --Tulipclaymore 01:02, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

The current Sassaflash's entry probably shouldn't be deleted, since she's got two differences from Wind Whister/new-Sassaflash (mane color's different and coat color's a bit different), but she's probably similar enough to be mentioned on Wind Whistler's/new-Sassaflash's page. 64.118.113.33 01:39, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well, according to this, the Hasbro toy line "make[s] a valiant effort to sync entertainment & toy product as closely as possible." It goes on to say that some of the ponies in merchandise appear in the show as background characters. Given that information, I could safely bet that "Hasbro getting these most common ponies out there as toys" is what Hasbro is doing, albeit kind of in reverse fashion; they make the toys first, and some of the ponies are put into the show afterward. At least, that's the impression I got from the discussion. --Pikmanipulator 16:17, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Since the "Mane 22" Incidental female ponies are all gradually getting their blind bag counterparts, I believe Sassaflash was supposed to represent "Wind Whistler" 201.19.63.252 23:08, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

So, any in favor of renaming Wind Whistler's page "Sassaflash"? I am. --Pikmanipulator 20:04, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

As with Apple Dumpling/Bumpkin above, I'm of the opinion that toys should be assigned to the pony they most represent. Which is still the currently-so-named Sassaflash. If we ever got a Sassaflash toy with a yellow mane - or a specific answer by Hasbro, as unlikely as that is -, that would of course immediately change the situation. --Tulipclaymore 11:35, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

We seem to be overlooking the two things I initially pointed out: the glitter toys' mane colors are always the same as the coat color regardless of the pony's regular mane color (as seen with Fluttershy, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash), meaning that it should come down to coat color, and the two ponies from the show do have different coat colors (despite the former's article and the latter's List entry both erroneously describing them as having the same coat color). So which of the two show ponies' coat colors is closer to the toy pony's coat color? 76.9.78.163 14:17, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I too am in favor of renaming her. And I think Twinkleshine should be renamed too 187.78.164.117 00:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Goldengrape

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Goldengrape	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	two bunches of green grapes	two bunches of green grapes	yes
Coat color	yellow	yellow	yes
Mane color	blue	purple	no
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Other

The coat colors aren't an exact match and the mane colors (while similar) are different, but the cutie mark is hard to ignore. Seeing as all the other stallions in the wave 3 mystery packs (Big Macintosh, Meadow Song, and Noteworthy) are from the show, I'm thinking that this one probably is, too. 76.9.87.146 09:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it. *sigh* I liked the name "Green Grapes", uncreative though it may be... --Tulipclaymore 10:45, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

If you use Photoshop, select Colton Vines' coat and mane colors, and change the color balance shadows tone (I think it would be about +100 in cyan/red, -30 in magenta/green and -30 in yellow/blue), you get Goldengrape's colors. So I believe that they got Colton Vines's color scheme and edited it so it would be - let's say - better. Like what happened to Twinkleshine and Celestia, in the past. 201.19.58.65 19:05, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Here, color comparison between edited color balance of coat-and-mane and the toy: http://i42.tinypic.com/2ns1ge1.jpg 187.78.164.117 22:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

This photo will be better for toy image. Mimi15 11:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Berryshine

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Berryshine	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	unicorn	no
Cutie mark	a bunch of purple grapes and a strawberry	a strawberry and a bunch of purple grapes	yes
Coat color	pink	pink	yes
Mane color	pink	pink	yes
Eye color	pink	green	no
Other	Berry Green from the wave 4 mystery packs is similar to both of these (being an Earth pony like "Berry Punch" and having green eyes like Berryshine), but has a different cutie mark (two bunches of green grapes)

These were previously decided to be different ponies due to the difference in eye color and the fact that "Berry Punch" is an Earth pony while Berryshine is a unicorn, but the wave 5 mystery packs' redesigns of fellow Earth ponies Sapphire Shores (show vs. toy line) and Junebug (show vs. toy line) give them different colors and make them unicorns (judging by their cutie marks, those two were based on their G3 toy counterparts rather than their G4 show counterparts, but their G3 toy counterparts were Earth ponies as well, and G3 Sapphire Shores had a different coat color). Compared to those two, "Berry Punch" could very well be Berryshine. 76.9.87.146 09:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'll stick with my argument from last year: not the same kind = not the same pony (when it comes to toys). Hasbro is cheap when it comes to recolours, but they already have Earth pony molds and there's no reason not to use them. Regarding Sapphire Shores and Junebug (and Breezy), I honestly see those as the reverse-Lulamoon: Hasbro randomly picked names from the show and gave them to random background ponies (or maybe they told Studio B "we want to make G4 versions of these G3 toys, stick these names somewhere, we don't care which ponies you give them to"). We should mention that these very different toys exist in the appropriate place (the respective article or List entry), but that's about it. --Tulipclaymore 10:43, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sunny Rays

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Sunny Rays	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	three suns	three suns	yes
Coat color	yellow	yellow	yes
Mane color	pink	pink	yes
Eye color	pink	pink	yes
Other	a Playful Ponies toy matches Sunny Rays in all but eye color

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TEP_F4eFuXA/T16NUGBwQ3I/AAAAAAAAia4/fqJYeVIa77w/s1600/3.jpg

The mane colors aren't an exact match, but these do appear to be the same pony. Quite unusual, given her minor (even for a background pony) role in the show. 76.9.87.146 09:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

This is possibly the best-matching "mystery pack" figurine I've seen. –Throwawaytv 10:28, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

This is suspiciously close to the show and thankfully controversy-free. Let's do it before we find a more well-known pony that also looks similar. --Tulipclaymore 10:51, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Scarily, this pony is already fan-named Rays. --Kinrah 10:54, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, this situation was funny. They match a lot, I think we should use that toy name 201.19.58.65 19:11, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Breezie

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Mr. Breezy	Breezie	yes
Sex	male	female	no
Kind	Earth pony	Pegasus	no
Cutie mark	four-bladed fan	tree blowing in wind	no
Coat color	tan	white	no
Mane color	copper	yellow	no
Eye color	bright blue	green	no
Other

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--gv0rMPY0o0/T16NUqJMUeI/AAAAAAAAibI/gLA9D84OsX8/s1600/5.jpg

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unnamed	Breezie	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	not shown	tree blowing in wind	unknown
Coat color	white	white	yes
Mane color	yellow	yellow	yes
Eye color	not shown	green	unknown
Other

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--gv0rMPY0o0/T16NUqJMUeI/AAAAAAAAibI/gLA9D84OsX8/s1600/5.jpg

This is tricky to call.

For the first one, it wouldn't be the only time a stallion named after a G3 mare appears in the toy line as a different kind with a different gender and different colors; compare Golden Delicious and "his" appearance in the same wave of mystery packs (though in that case the eye colors supposedly match; do we ever see Golden Delicious in the show with his eyes open?). I don't know where the spelling "Breezy" comes from; if it was from the closed captions, the toy line has contradicted them in an earlier case ("Sunny Daze" vs. "Sunny Days"), but in that case the pony was at least the same gender and had the same eye color. In this case, there might be too many differences to call them the same pony.

For the second one, what we do know does match, but since we don't know that Wonderbolt's cutie mark (as with any Wonderbolt) or eye color, there might be too many unknowns to call them the same pony.

Thoughts? 76.9.87.146 09:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

The "no two characters can have the same name" only applies to placeholder names. If Hasbro wants to name two characters "Breezie", they can. It creates confusion, but Hasbro doesn't seem to mind.

The missing cutie mark and eye color is problematic, I'm not sure we can make a valid comparison when both of those attributes are missing. –Throwawaytv 10:26, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

What I said above about reverse-Lulamoons applies here too. And Breezy as "Surprise"... maybe if we knew her eye colour. But we don't (yet). --Tulipclaymore 10:54, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Cherry Berry

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Cherry Berry	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	Two red cherries	Two red cherries	yes
Coat color	Dark pink	Dark pink	yes
Mane color	yellow	yellow	yes
Eye color	purple	green	no
Other

The animated character and the toy represent the same character, despite that they have other eye colour.

Flower Wishes

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Daisy	Flower Wishes	no
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	two daisies	two daisies	yes
Coat color	pink	pink	yes
Mane color	light green	light green with white streak	yes, without the streak
Eye color	green	green	yes
Other

Roseluck

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Rose	Roseluck	not quite
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	dark pink rose	red rose	not quite
Coat color	cream	cream	yes
Mane color	dark pink and pink	red and pink	not quite
Eye color	green	green	yes
Other

Lemon Hearts

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Lemon Hearts	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn pony	unicorn pony	yes
Cutie mark	three hearts: two blue and one green	three hearts: two blue and one green	yes
Coat color	yellow	yellow	yes
Mane color	blue with lighter streak	blue with light blue streak	yes
Eye color	dark pink	dark pink	yes
Other

Noteworthy

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Noteworthy	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	two blue notes	three blue notes	yes, same objects but different number
Coat color	light blue	light blue	yes
Mane color	blue	blue	yes
Eye color	yellow	blue	no
Other

Rainbowshine

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Rainbowshine	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	pegasus pony	pegasus pony	yes
Cutie mark	rainbow	rainbow	yes
Coat color	purple	purple	yes
Mane color	pink with lighter streak	pink	yes, without the streak
Eye color	pink	pink	yes
Other

Sea Swirl

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Sea Swirl	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn pony	unicorn pony	yes
Cutie mark	two dolphins dark purple one and light purple one	two dolphins dark purple one and light purple one	yes
Coat color	lawender pink	lawender pink	yes
Mane color	dark purplish blue with light blue streak	dark purplish blue	yes, without the streak
Eye color	dark pink	dark pink	yes
Other

Shoeshine

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Shoeshine	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	two interlocking horseshoes	two interlocking horseshoes	yes
Coat color	light blue	blue	not quite
Mane color	gray	blue	no
Eye color	dark pink	dark pink	yes
Other

Mosely Orange

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	Uncle Orange	Mosely Orange	not quite
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	orange	orange	yes
Coat color	yellow	yellow	yes
Mane color	green	yellow	no
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Other

Meadow Song

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Meadow Song	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	guitar	guitar	yes
Coat color	brown	brown	yes
Mane color	yellow	yellow	yes
Eye color	green	blue	no
Other

Twilight Sky

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Twilight Sky	unknown
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	three white stars	three white stars	yes
Coat color	dark grey	dark grey	yes
Mane color	aqua	dark grey	no
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Other

Twilight Velvet

Attribute	Show	Toy	Similar?
Name	unknown	Twilight Velvet	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn pony	unicorn pony	yes
Cutie mark	three purple stars	three purple stars	yes
Coat color	silver	silver	yes
Mane color	light purple and white	silver	no
Eye color	light blue	light blue	yes
Other

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