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So the whole storyline of Shadow Play got me thinking about our old friends the Founders of Equestria, and got me wondering about a few things:

  • Why haven't the Founders been utilized or talked about more?
  • Might there have been any connections between them and the Pillars of Old Equestria?
  • Might there be any connections between the Founders and the Mane 6?

So far as the first question, admittedly they lived a thousand years before the time period of most of the show, they weren't Alicorns, and they weren't-so far as we know-prevented from aging by magical means. However, it does seem a tad odd that the ponies credited with finding the land that they established as Equestria don't have more influence. I mean, so far as I've seen their appearances are limited to Hearth's Warming Eve, The Journal of the Two Sisters, and various throwaway references, apart from whatever goes on in Equestria Girls.

With regards to relations between the Founders and the Pillars, the only one we can designate with any certainty is that Clover the Clever was a student of Star Swirl the Bearded. As far as the other members of each group, the most likely connection would seem to be between Flash Magnus and Commander Hurricane and Private Pansy: I would guess that all three were probably members of the Royal Legion, with Hurricane presumably being the Supreme Commander of the organization while Pansy and Flash were soldiers. Any other connections seem a bit unlikely to have occurred before the two groups actually formed, by which I mean they could have met after the Pillars came to the Castle of the Two Sisters if the Founders were still hanging around at that point. That's unless the Mane 6's portrayals of various founders didn't include attempting any accents.

As to whether the Founders and the Mane 6 have any connections, it would admittedly be pretty distant-a thousand years worth of interspersing generations. However, I could definitely see Celestia keeping track of the Founders' descendants, which would certainly explain her familiarity with Twilight before her acceptance to magic school and with the other five prior to them becoming the Elements of Harmony. Plus, it would be a funny twist if Celestia intervened or arranged to have each Mane 6 member cast as their ancestor in the show.--Kilmarnock228 (talk) 02:01, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

Additional question: why are they the only major group of six ponies-versus the Mane 6, Power Ponies, and the Pillars-to consist of three sets of two unicorns, Earth ponies, and pegasi that doesn't have a seventh member/sidekick? The Mane 6 have a dragon, the Power Ponies have an Earth pony, and the Pillars have a unicorn-maybe there's an unsung pegasus in the history of Equestria?--Kilmarnock228 (talk) 03:52, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

What's with the gender swaps?

So with Marks for Effort, it has apparently been established that Chancellor Puddinghead was a stallion rather than a mare. This is the third instance we've seen of this type of change in the depiction of the Founders, following Commander Hurricane and Clover the Clever. Question is, why do you think this trend has come about?

I mean, the idea of them trying to include some more male characters isn't a bad thing, in my opinion. But if they want to do that, rewriting characters previously established as female doesn't really seem to be the way to go, particularly when those characters seem unlikely to appear with any prominence in the series again. After all, we only know Hurricane and Clover are stallions due to book references and that one Equestria Girls special, and Mark for Effort is the first material to identify Puddinghead as a stallion.--Kilmarnock228 (talk) 20:36, June 2, 2018 (UTC)