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Reformation?

Could Grubber really be reformed?

I mean, I know that he was shown to be reformed and becoming the best friend of Tempest Shadow in “The Great Princess Caper” and the book version of the movie, but...is that really his true fate?Austin012599 (talk) 00:25, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

On many occasions, the show itself was able to prove that many of the comics and books were non-canon to the series. Most notably, “To Where and Back Again” & “To Change a Changeling” proved that “The Return of Queen Chrysalis” comics were non-canon; and “A Royal Problem”, “Shadow Play”, and “Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep” proved “Nightmare Rarity” to be non-canon.

So, how can we really confirm Grubber to be reformed and Tempest’s best friend when there is no episode of FiM or movie sequel to prove it?Austin012599 (talk) 05:07, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Simple answer? We can't. Personally I tend to think of media such as the books and comics as "canon until explicitly proven otherwise." Personally, I'm not aware of anything in the examples you cited above where the episodes in question disproved the comics arc; the only issue I can think of where "A Royal Problem" and "Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep" contradicted is Friends Forever Issue 38, as both episodes indicate that Celestia has no power in the realm of dreams normally while the issue indicates she did Luna's job while she was banished to the moon. But honestly, there's no proof beyond the book sources either of Grubber's redemption or of him still being evil-though, to be honest, his depiction in the movie made it seem like he really wasn't that bad of a guy to begin with.--Kilmarnock228 (talk) 22:13, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

With the changelings...well, to be honest, when I saw “To Change a Changeling” everypony spoke about them as if they were not seen since “A Canterlot Wedding”.

“A Royal Problem” proved that Nightmare Moon is the dark part of Luna’s personality and not some outside force that made her evil.

With Grubber...in some ways, for me it was kind of hard to see him as innocent at heart. He seemed very self-centered, only caring about appeasing his appetite and stuff like that. Plus, he spoke of Tempest’s horn and the way it looked in a hurtful sort of way. To me, at least.Austin012599 (talk) 23:04, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Fair point about the Changelings, although thus far I think it's pretty universal that the show has yet to acknowledge the events of the comics or books. Of course, if any issues are out of canon, some of the earlier story arcs are definitely likely candidates. Honestly, from looking at the transcript for "A Royal Problem", it doesn't necessarily specify how the transformation into Nightmare Moon is accomplished. While it certainly stemmed from Luna's own dark feelings, I think it possible that an outside darkness could have become involved; Ponyville Mysteries: Peryton Panic even indicates that Luna drew upon the dark energies of other ponies' dreams, which could well have developed into the parasite of the Nightmare Rarity arc.
Admittedly Grubber doesn't seem to have been the nicest guy, but it's a big step from "not that nice" to "full on evil." I don't see him trying to fill the Storm King's shoes, or even posing much of a threat. I also don't really see him making a return appearance to the series unless his voice actor is willing to do a television episode, Hasbro is willing to recast him, or we get another movie down the line. --Kilmarnock228 (talk) 21:13, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

I think you’re right.

I do hope that Grubber can appear again in an episode or sequel to the movie. There’s still so much to go on with him.Austin012599 (talk) 21:23, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

Could Someone have Played Grubber better than Michael Pena

I thought I’d put up a new question to ask about his voice actor.

I really enjoyed Pena’s performance and I thought he did a great job at trying to make him funny. But, the one thing I’m curious about is this:

Would the character have been better if someone that wasn’t Pena play him? Like, a professional and experienced comedian?Austin012599 (talk) 21:23, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

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