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Your continuous heated rantings in the comments are not only nonproductive, DBZFan; they are becoming spam. I recommend you calm down and find something positive to comment about. Thank you. 00:13, May 27, 2018 (UTC)
- Again, your continuous rants are becoming tantamount to spam, DBZFan. If it persists, you risk being blocked for spam-like behavior. Thank you. 02:50, June 6, 2018 (UTC)
- You haven't dwelled on 28 Pranks Later enough by now? 23:15, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
- DBZFan, I've been forced to block you for a brief period not only because of your continued spam-like rantings and ravings in the comments but also for resorting to personal attacks against the Wiki's user base. Your opinions of an episode give you no right to insult those whose opinions differ from yours. Thank you. 13:56, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
- "You couldn't derail 8 seasons of character development this badly if you tried and the writers did it in 22 minutes"
- You've posted this same comment no less than three times in a row. Stop spamming, please. 21:12, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
"NO THAT'S WRONG!" is not an argument, DBZFan12. It is verbal aggression. If you cannot have a civil discussion in the comments without resorting to that, you will keep getting blocked. 21:41, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
- You know, the least you could do is TRY to understand a meme before you accuse it of being harassment or aggression. Just saying :P DBZFan12 (talk) 20:47, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
I've assembled your long-winded rantings into a Pastebin page. Next time you feel the need to vent your frustrations at an episode that it can't be contained within a smaller handful of sentences, please use your user blog as Guildmaster Grovyle recommended. Thank you. 01:02, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
Another point you're missing about AMoP that just came to me...
I state this to every other die hard hater besides you, but in case you completely forgot about Discordant Harmony in the previous season, guess what? He NEEDS to be that chaotic (towards any creatures like Starlight and the Young Six), or else... he'll die. And I know some might say it's him acting as normal as possible is what's REALLY doing the damage, but looking at it more closely, it's really only speeding up his potential demise (like pouring normalizing salt on his non-chaotic wounds). So it basically means in episodes BESIDES those two I just mentioned, Discord needs to survive on chaos. (Like how American Dad's Roger the Alien needs to survive on rudeness, or Futurama's Bender needs beer/alcohol to survive) Cause really, you would rather have him die of non-chaotic cancer than be that anti-heroic around other characters like Starlight and the Young Six just to keep on living throughout the show? Because to make it short, chaos (no matter how he uses it for good laughs) is Discord's (healing) medicine.
And to top that off, that's another thing; What's wrong with keeping an anti-hero in a good series? That's like taking out all of Deadpool's good humor, and making things like his fourth wall breaks completely tedious. Not every show (or franchise for that matter) is all about heroes who are 100% high-spirited, and villains who are 100% mean-spirited, an anti-hero with common antics like Discord's falling somewhere along the middle doesn't hurt you know.
(And honestly, you don't see anti-heroes like Bender being hated for his common antics like stealing!)
- I have nothing wrong with Discord causing chaos. My problem, however, is that he essentially tortured Starlight for no justifiable reason. He has every right to be mad at Twilight and the others for not including him. However, that does NOT give him carte blanche to pull any of the crap he pulls in that episode, especially not to a pony that hasn't done anything to him. That's what you seem to be ignoring. DBZFan12 (talk) 22:45, September 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, and you know what YOU also seem to be ignoring? Discord wanted to take charge at first - completely ignoring that Starlight got the honor and not him. He started off completely harmless by only a few small changes like optional gravity and a weird, but somewhat cute mascot (made of balloon), not seeming to mind that Starlight got the honor. But what does Starlight do before he makes a THIRD, harmless rule to the school? Does she trust him and care about his feelings enough to let HIM make some changes he likes to have almost anywhere he goes? Nope. What does she do instead? Takes Twilight's rules from him caring ONLY about how Twilight runs it completely rather than letting him join in. What does Discord do in the school office? Just minding his own business, like making himself feel at home. And you know what Discord also says after briefly mimicing Twilight? "Oh, don't worry. I'll cover for you." And does Starlight hire him after something like that? Still no. And yes, Discord's picks for substitue teachers might have been horrible, but guess what? He needs to cause at least the slightest bit of chaos to survive, no matter how hard it makes Starlight's role, and regardless of whether or not he could've come up with Spitfire and Trixie as substitutes before her. And whether or not Starlight knows he needs to be chaotic to survive, does she hire him after all that chaos caused in the first act to shut him up and let him take part in running the school? Still a big fat NO! Instead, she only tells him to leave. And have you forgotten what he said when he does what she really meant? "From now on, I won't try to help. At! All!" And why does he mess with Trixie and the students as both a student himself, and a coach? Like I said; it's in his nature, and he needs to survive on it like it's his healthy food (or medicine, exercise, however you wanna put it). And I get it. Discord can act really irritating no matter how chaotic he has to be, but that doesn't give Starlight the excuse to blast him to Kingdom Come like depicting death in the show. He can still come back in a ghostly form to mess around with the students based on what I said previously about him acting as both a student and a coach, and in a way, he was doing all that in some manner of Starlight coming to her ways and finally hiring him. And I get that he could've just asked, but if he didn't do all that the hard way what with all those fun, chaotic, and ridiculously silly events, would he have survived (especially if he did it like some regular job interview)? I doubt it based on his normality in the third act of Discordant Harmony. And really, we've seen Discord apologize for his actions MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY! Why can't someone else for once apologize to him for ignoing his jealousy? Cause really, Discord apologizing for a wrongdoing says literally nothing. But somepony else apologizing to him? That says a lot!
- And you say he tortured Starlight for supposedly *no justifiable reason*? Yeah, he's done something like this before with Twilight in Season 4, and Spike and Big Mac in Season 6.
- TallTitan70 (talk) 22:39, September 8, 2018 (UTC)
I don't even know where to BEGIN with that one.
- "But what does Starlight do before he makes a THIRD, harmless rule to the school? Does she trust him and care about his feelings enough to let HIM make some changes he likes to have almost anywhere he goes? Nope. What does she do instead? Takes Twilight's rules from him caring ONLY about how Twilight runs it completely rather than letting him join in." That's because Twilight trusted her to take care of things while she was gone. If Twilight came back and found whatever Discord would have done, she would've lost her mind. And do you honestly think that Discord's changes would've stayed harmless forever?
- "And why does he mess with Trixie and the students as both a student himself, and a coach? Like I said; it's in his nature, and he needs to survive on it like it's his healthy food (or medicine, exercise, however you wanna put it)." Causing chaos is in his nature, yes. And if I said I had expected him to give up causing chaos entirely, I'd be lying, but he should've moved on from this behavior long ago. And if he absolutely has to cause chaos to survive, he should figure out ways to caus chaos without interfering with the daily lives of others.
- "And I get it. Discord can act really irritating no matter how chaotic he has to be, but that doesn't give Starlight the excuse to blast him to Kingdom Come like depicting death in the show." Yes, maybe she went overboard, but, after everything Discord did, I'm honestly surprised that she didn't do so sooner.
- "And I get that he could've just asked..." Then why didn't he?
- "Why can't someone else for once apologize to him for ignoing his jealousy?" Because his jealousy doesn't give him the right to do ANYTHING HE DID HERE! I can't make it any simpler than that.
- "But somepony else apologizing to him?" They shouldn't have to apologize for doing nothing wrong. How many times do I have to repeat myself?
- "And you say he tortured Starlight for supposedly *no justifiable reason*? Yeah, he's done something like this before with Twilight in Season 4, and Spike and Big Mac in Season 6." And he was in the wrong both times. Furthermore, he got his comeuppance in the former case, and apologized his wrongdoings in the latter. Here, he neither apologizes for doing something wrong, nor does he get his comeuppance.
The fact that you ignored all of these things just serves to highlight the mental gymnastics you had to pull off to try and convince yourself that Discord was in the right when he was objectively in the wrong. DBZFan12 (talk) 20:26, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I just have to reply to your points in these manners:
- Yeah, and for that matter, it seems to me that no one in the Mane Six (much less other ponies in Equestria) even bothers to think about spending an afternoon with Discord unlike Fluttershy, or Spike & Big Mac - no matter how much Twilight for example is willing to admit he's her friend as well. And YES, I do think his changes would've stayed harmless forever - as harmless as his own home for example. (It's not like he's gonna do dangerous things like planting deadly, killer seeds to trap all those innocent students in)
- Yeah, and how else was he supposed to survive while taking a shot at trying to run a school like Twilight's? That (from what I heard) is the main thing EVERYONE regrets in life; never taking risks. (No matter how scary they might be) And besides, what fun would other people's lives (like the Young Six's) be if they hadn't met someone new and different in Equestria from others...like Disocrd? (And the fact that it's hard for him to come up with other chaotic things to help him live might be another thing)
- And that's clearly where Starlight was in the wrong more so than Discord (no matter how much he talks back to her and Spike), despite how much her frustration towards him is understandable. Even you would have no right to brutally attack an anti-heroic person like that just cause he/she still has his/her own problems... EVEN IF it helps he/she live on! (Cause if you ask me, that's like saying you hate Futurama's anti-hero Bender because of his common antics of stealing, much less surviving by drinking alcohol)
- Maybe because this plot would've been extended (and would be shorter than a Pixar short) making that moral Starlight admitted completely pointless... besides the whole "doing it like a normal human being (or in this case "pony") could poison him like normality" thing.
- Honestly, ignoring the whole "doing it normally kills him" factor, that's likely the only way Starlight could EVER have come to her senses in realizing that it's nice (and wise for that matter) to think about someone else for once, despite their problems that make them as imperfect as all of us humans in society. Cause I think she probably still had that feeling that he would've made things awful, when really, he wouldn't have. On! Purpose! That is.
- And I can repeat this for as long as I live: Starlight didn't care about Discord as to letting him help out, and instead made him feel as left out as much as Twilight with Discord and her friends in his only REAL disastrous portrayal of characterization - if not necessarily as mean as Discord who left Twilight out just to teach a toxic jealousy lesson. And that's kinda what being a good friend is for - thinking of others and their feelings, no matter what problems he/she may still have. And really, putting up with your true friends' problems shows how much you love and care about them (like they're your family) - especially since nobody's anywhere near perfect. And friends like Fluttershy, Big Mac, and Spike put up with Discord's near harmless antics because they care about him and see that there's more to him than being as friendly as possible to where he doesn't cause chaos for the evilest of reasons. (And if you're gonna bring up another "that doesn't give him the excuse" thing once more, all I can tell you is I doubt you're true friends would pull off an unreasonably cruel move on you, which is not exactly what Discord was doing here, and no offense, but I doubt you'd purposefully make a stupid move as well)
- Whether or not he WAS in the wrong, it doesn't matter; all he was doing was testing Twilight to prove she was his actual friend... in a chaotic manner to survive (as I constantly repeat myself) in the former no less, and the latter? Yeah, I can argue that it's easy to sympathize with Discord when he feels lonely after Fluttershy leaves for Yakyakistan. Especially since D&D was the first time where we actually saw him interact with others like Spike & Big Mac. And really, it's not his fault he didn't know what Spike & Big Mac's guys night was really gonna be like. The latter two may not have wanted to do the same exact things as Discord (like do stuff at that club), and yeah, he did that wild stuff with their game because he's... well, Discord, and I know apologized for it after he realized how bad they both felt for him, but that's still just one thing - did I mention they also learned to give him another chance no matter how much trouble he caused (despite apologizing after they gave him that second chance) as much as Starlight finally gave him a chance at the end of AMoP? And who cares if he apologized for his chaos he needs to survive on or not? It doesn't hurt for others like Starlight to apologize to Discord for ignoring him and only telling him to leave the school you know. (No matter what Twilight would have to say about it)
And that's yet another thing; as much as how Twilight showed it off to the E.E.A. when learning a better way to run the school (to make it more fun), and just like my thoughts as well as YOURS on the show's episodes, characters, songs, etc., her opinion isn't the only one that matters about the school. Cause wanting to run a business all YOUR way and not consider other people's personal suggestions they'd like to make (especially if they're not harmful), sounds downright selfish like you want it all to go your way and won't generously widen out to others (like the E.E.A. with other creatures in wanting to learn at the school). Especially considering her selfish portrayal to the Crusaders in Marks for Effort when she kept on rejecting them joining her school before letting them joining after hearing Cozy Glow out - just like Discord wanting to take part in the school as well! TallTitan70 (talk) 07:31, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
"Whether or not he WAS in the wrong, it doesn't matter..." And now I realize what kind of person I'm talking to; the kind who will completely ignore all the facts as long as they win the argument. I can see that no matter how many times I disprove your points, you'll just keep the mental gymnastics going to completely ignore the fact that Discord's behavior was completely inexcusable. Anything I say to you will go in one ear and out the other. So fine; feel free to believe something that is objectively wrong. DBZFan12 (talk) 18:24, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
Then that proves it! You can't come up with your own fanfic to show how this plot can be done right if he DID ask Starlight in the first place. (And if you're only so new with writing fanfics, I bet you can't come up with your own retelling without cheating and getting help from other haters who'd feel the same towards Principals as you) TallTitan70 (talk) 21:46, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
Even if I did write something, you wouldn't care. I've already said that you're free to believe something objectively wrong. BTW, I'm not hater. That would imply that I have no reason for hating the episode, but, as I've said multiple times, I have every reason to hate, primarily because it puts its morality with the wrong character.DBZFan12 (talk) 21:24, September 17, 2018 (UTC)
Okay, all I can say to that is, for that matter, you basically hate EVERYTHING about Discord. And I'll make this clear; if your fanfic can
- Still make this entire plot, and moral/theme no less possible if he did ask Starlight at first sight (as I said)
- (And) Show that Discord really DOESN'T have to worry about causing chaos to live (even after Discordant Harmony)
And both of these of which Hasbro would approve of to write on the series for an episode, then I'll come to your side and take back all of my positive reception I give to Principals. The only other opinion? Go back and re-write Discordant Harmony to show the same aspect as my second point (or tell a plot in a flashback before events like those). TallTitan70 (talk) 02:54, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
No, I don't hate everything about Discord; I hate how he was written in this episode. In pretty much every other episode with him (What About Discord being the sole exception), I genuinely found him entertaining. But here he was completely out of line, as I've said multiple times now.
And no, you won't take back your opinion; every interaction I've had with you thus far has proven that you won't change your mind about this episode. BTW, I wasn't trying to get you change your opinion; if you like the episode, that's perfectly fine. My problem was that you were trying to convince me that Discord had every right to act like a child throwing a hissy fit and get off scot-free.DBZFan12 (talk) 01:41, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I still see no difference in his role here and the rest of his line of roles (except WAD? obviously) - cause for the upteenth time, there is a massive difference between causing chaos be it in a calm (DH) or crazy manner (MNFbKD & D&D), especially if you need to to live on it, and then there's condescending somepony in a cocky manner to make them feel bad for missing out on something you did over the past weekend (whereas he did absolutely nothing chaotic) to show them how being jealous is okay (but he still didn't have to be THAT cruel). So honestly, it's like you can't look past the whole "one character trolling around with another (and so on) for no reason" aspect. In fact, for that matter, it's like that's your one and ONLY real reason for hating Principals when people clearly hate WAD? not just for Discord's cocky, unchaotic portrayal, but also for the lack of detail and logic behind his inside jokes with Twilight's friends, not to mention how the latter herself was completely idiotic for not accepting to understand them completely and especially not using time travel to go back to the past to examine them all for the past weekend; and if you ask me, I also thought HER ideal three-day weekend she spent overtime at the very beginning that was reorganizing books over and OVER again was absolutely stupid - which makes her love of books & reading seem as repetitive as Mr. Krabs' love of money in SpongeBob. But anyways, getting back to your reason for hating this, you basically sound like you don't even care what character it is who playfully tortures others throughout a plot, especially if that character's life depended on that kind of chaotic stuff. It's like you only focus on (and care about) your reason for hating this, not character qualities/personalities.
So all I'm gonna say end this with is, aside from my most recent edit on why this episode is both underrated & overhated when I sarcasticly say "You sure proved me wrong. Maybe/I guess _____. At least until/if/assuming ____.", if you still won't try and understand my points, (and I try my hardest not to mess with other people's opinions in the slightest), I'm not gonna ask you give AMoP a better rep, but at least cut Discord some serious slack based on my points I try to get to come across hardcore haters of this episode. And quoting another brony I've discussed my thoughts with on this episode: "if you can't come up with a convincing argument, how can you be taken seriously?" (Which said statement goes for you and any other hater who can't come up with a fanfic that supposedly does this plot better) TallTitan70 (talk) 02:54, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
I'd cut him some slack if this episode aired 4 seasons ago. But this late in the game, he should know better than to act like this for no legitimate reason.DBZFan12 (talk) 21:33, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, and how about my other two points on
- You having no other reason for hating it OTHER than Discord's *unreasonable* portrayal?
- The BIG difference between causing chaos (whether it's calm or crazy) none of it of which is ANY different, and condescening someone to make them feel bad?
1: The good things about this episode aren't enough to save it from Discord's unreasonable behavior.
2: He had no justification for doing either in this episode, so explaining the difference wouldn't change anything,
DBZFan12 (talk) 22:35, September 19, 2018 (UTC)
Then that still proves you can't come up with another reason for hating this episode, meaning your only grudge is all you ever focus on when looking back on this and again, NOT character qualities/personalities. Meaning you don't care who makes behavior like that (not even if it's someone who has to survive on it), it's just unacceptable. And aside from that, name me one other reason you hate this episode that has NOTHING to do with Discord. TallTitan70 (talk) 01:23, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
If his behavior was a minor problem with this episode, maybe you'd have a point. But because his behavoir is a major part of the episode, your claim that I need more reason than a character doing something completely unforgivable doesn't hold up.DBZFan12 (talk) 00:45, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
Exactly! You can't hate What About Discord? for example just for Discord's cocky, unchaotic portrayal towards Twilight, and that's not even mentioning how major of a grudge it is as yours with Principals. You have to hate WAD? for other things also like, oh I don't know... those illogical, untold inside jokes, Discord's punishment at the end not being quite severe enough, or even how Twilight was stupid throughout - much less her ideal three-day weekend being downright repetitive, not to mention her friends acting the same exact way as Discord before finding out of his toxic scheme at the very end. Cause really, no matter how major your main reason is, you have to have more than just ONE little (major) reason for hating it. TallTitan70 (talk) 01:23, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
"You have to hate WAD? for other things also like, oh I don't know... those illogical, untold inside jokes, Discord's punishment at the end not being quite severe enough, or even how Twilight was stupid throughout - much less her ideal three-day weekend being downright repetitive, not to mention her friends acting the same exact way as Discord before finding out of his toxic scheme at the very end." And you're implying that I don't have those problems with that episode because... why exactly? DBZFan12 (talk) 19:35, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
Point is, in comparison, Discord's role in Principals throughout being your main problem is one thing; but hating it for that reason alone? Yeah, like that's enough to convice you to hate it so much when everything else seemed to be just fine. (Eh, no offense) TallTitan70 (talk) 02:15, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
Well, I thought I had made it very clear that Discord's behavior ruined the episode for me. And yes, one thing can be enough to ruin something, depending on a variety of factors; severity being a good example. DBZFan12 (talk) 18:09, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
...Uh-huh. I might be able to understand your hate for said episode, much less you criticizing Discord's normal self - if you gave me more than just THAT reason to pan this episode. You don't think Starlight going too far by blasting Discord to Kingdom Come was anything bad no matter how irritating he was being to her and the rest of the school, nor all those pics Discord made for substitue teachers were anything bad as well? (Which, if you ask me, I thought Discord picking Cranky, Iron Will, and a dragon sneeze tree was kinda funny) TallTitan70 (talk) 01:35, September 24, 2018 (UTC)
Did I not make it clear that pretty much EVERYTHING Discord did ruined the episode for me? Not to mention, he does unforgivable things and doesn't get punished for it. DBZFan12 (talk) 18:57, September 24, 2018 (UTC)
Since Discord was one doing it, yes, this IS about him. But here's the thing; if any other character were doing what he did in the episode, I'd be just as angry at them as I am at Discord. In fact, that's exactly my problem with Yakity-Sax, Non-Compete Clause, and pretty much every episode where characters do terrible things and never get punished or apologize. DBZFan12 (talk) 21:45, September 28, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll agree with you on the other two you brought up since Pinkie had absolutely NO reason to invade other ponies personal lives (like her own friends) just to show how she could play that stupid yovidaphone NOT CARING about how horrible she was at playing it - and the fact that said instrunment is EAR-BLEEDING to listen to no less. So I think Pinkie should be the one to apologize and not her friends. Applejack and Rainbow Dash being immaturely competitive in N-CC? Yes, they too had no reason to be that childish (unlike the Young Six who had FAR more maturity and common sense in comparison) given that Fall Weather Friends SEVEN SEASONS AGO clearly proved that they learned from their unnecessary competitiveness, and no, I don't think they deserved that "teacher or the month" award either - but at least said episode taught us all what happens when you do something stupid like both bimbos acting that way. So don't get me wrong, I think all three said Mane Six members deserved actual punishment and NOT any form of satisfaction, but the thing is, UNLIKE DISCORD, 'they don't have to cause that kind of irritation or immaturity (kinda like ANY FORM of Discord's chaos) to survive and live. Discord on the other hand? I guess he was in the wrong... at least if his life didn't depend on causing chaos no matter HOW he uses it! TallTitan70 (talk) 02:19, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
Since you clearly can't comprehend that there is absoultely no justification for what he did in this episode, I can see that any further discussion with you would be a waste of time DBZFan12 (talk) 20:16, September 30, 2018 (UTC)