aka Erik Steven-James Butterworth

  • I live in Saginaw, Michigan, United States of America
  • I was born on January 9
  • My occupation is Currently graduated from college
  • I am Male

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Episode images

Thanks for the positive contributions for uploading episode images. However we use the PNG format as the main extension on the wiki regarding canon material (so this excludes fanon), while it's not directly against the rules to upload in the JPG format can I suggest you save your screenshots in PNG instead? Regards, B0lGGoQ.gifOz   17:38, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure how to do replies on my own talk page, but I did want to apologize for uploading my one screenshot in the wrong format. I am uncertain of the hardware/software needed for converting from JPG to PNG, but once I do, I'll make sure to convert first before uploading again.

Sorry for any problems with the screenshot I uploaded to Admin ImperfectXIII, and I hope your quote on your talk page is not being sarcastic towards me...I feel hurt if it is.


SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 17:50, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh it's not targeted at you - in fact whoever views the page, it will show their name - which is done with {{USERNAME}}. See this as an example. B0lGGoQ.gifOz   17:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
VLC player is really good for getting screenshots. I use it. B0lGGoQ.gifOz   18:24, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I gave it a shot yesterday while waiting for Team Fortress 2 to install, and it is pretty easy to work with in both forwarding the episode frame-by-frame, and taking screenshots. I might take a few over the next month or so, and see about updating some of the ones ImperfectXIII uploaded to the episode and character galleries, and giving a better one to my avatar as the one I just used I downloaded from
Thanks for your help! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 18:56, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate comments

Your duplicate comments have been deleted as you requested. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 00:21, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Imperfect. I owe you one for the stubborn lag my browsers or Wikia is giving me right now. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:26, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

You're not the only one. :P furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 00:28, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
The Admins are getting it as well? Perhaps I might have to wait off on posting new comments until morning here in Michigan...Hopefully, the lag will be gone by then, and I won't have to worry about accidentally posting the same comment repeatedly because of it. Thanks, Imperfect. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:35, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sonic. Have you ever considered writing on your profile? I know if it's a bit of work, but I want to know more about you... because I'm a stalker... (mustache) Just kidding! Anyway, hi. You're a nice guy. The Real SilverSpoon (talk) 07:51, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

You don't need to post the same thing twice, The Real SilverSpoon. As for my profile, I'll write it up as soon as I hit 100 days of continuous contributions on the Wiki and get the badge for it. Then I'll start posting some information about my profile on my user page for the other Bronies to see. Thanks for your concern! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 13:06, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Rainbow Rocks summary

Hey, thanks for publishing your summary of the movie even though I started already. I don't want you to feel like you wrote all that for no reason, so could I use your edit as a guide and finish up the summary I was in the middle of? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:09, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Imperfect. I saw you started work on it and deleted most of mine since it was down in the Epilogue section. I did save the quote tempates however, and I'm sure you can go into the history and revert the edit so you can get all my information back to finish your editing, or I can do it myself, with your permission of course. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 21:13, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Asking about my hometown

Saginaw? Coolautiz (talk) 02:31, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Were you asking about my hometown, Coolautiz? Because I don't mind if you are. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 11:58, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I live like 30 miles SE, in Tuscola Co. Coolautiz (talk) 17:57, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cool! I've got grandparents that live all the way over in Montcalm County near Greenville, birthplace of the Meijer store, and I used to have an uncle who lived in Huron County in Port Austin. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 18:12, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cool. I'm currently living in Millington. Small town, but my family loves it here. Currently, I'm an upcoming student for Delta. Coolautiz (talk) 19:57, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

That's cool. I graduated from Saginaw Valley State University this past December with my Bachelor's in Computer Science. Even more interesting: It was with the retirement of the SVSU President, Dr. Gilbertson, so I felt honored to graduate from college with the college president's retirement. I even wished Dr. Gilbertson good luck after the ceremony before I went home for the night. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 22:19, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

My brother's girlfriend graduated from SVSU sometime ago. Not sure if it was last year or what. Coolautiz (talk) 22:39, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

So you don't quite remember the year she graduated? SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 22:45, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Negatory Coolautiz (talk) 22:47, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks anyhow. Also, I have become good friends with the SVSU Chief of Police during my enrollment there, along with the current Saginaw County Sheriff since I see him every year at the Fourth of July fireworks show, not to mention seeing the Sheriff Department's horses at the annual Country Music Fest hosted by local radio station WKCQ-FM. It's one of the few times I even see the Sheriff's posse since I can never make the Saginaw County Fair down in Chesaning due to lack of a car to see them there as well...

Either way, seeing the Sheriff's posse makes me feel even prouder to be a Brony. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 23:03, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Coolautiz (talk) 00:02, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:12, October 5, 2014 (UTC)


SONIC, y u no change background

(im joking so) (Imtheaura (talk) 21:40, November 3, 2014 (UTC))

Even if you're joking, honestly, I don't know how to change my background. Sorry. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:54, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Canterlot Castle Pinkie Pie 6
Hi SonictheHedgehog1245. This is Pinkgirl234s, one of the users who you reply to. Just wanted to greet you. Can we be friends? :-)

Hi. The message with the Pinkie Pie was me. I forget to leave my signature.

Pinkgirl234 (talk) 05:48, November 30, 2014 (UTC)Pinkgirl234

Of course! We can be friends! And thanks for the image of Pinkie Pie! I like it a lot!!! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 13:13, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Background Change Help?

Hey SonictheHedgehog1245! I heard you don't know how to change your background. I know how. You can ask me to do it for you. Just tell me the colors and I'll do it in the best way possible.

Sincerely, kBh6dCt.gifPinkgirl234 Sweet Treat 5DbANvV.png Pinkgirl234 (talk) 15:57, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Appreciate the help. You have any color themes around the manes/tails of the Princesses that you can use for my background? If not, I'll take one centered around Celestia or Cadance.

Let me know if you have anything that fits my requests, and if not, let my know of any ideas or offers that you think would work for me. Thanks, Pinkgirl234! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 17:28, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Here you go!

Here's your background: the Twilight Sparkle theme. You can check the source mode for the code and you can even copypaste it to your profile (still in source mode) and change the color. Just look at the color code with the number sign (#) here.

I hope you appreciate it! :-D kBh6dCt.gifPinkgirl234 Sweet Treat 5DbANvV.pngPinkgirl234 (talk) 06:56, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the theme, Pinkgirl234. Can you send me the color codes for if I want to change it to a theme around Celestia, Luna, or Cadance? Much appreciated if you can! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 14:44, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Pinkgirl234's message

Greetings, SonictheHedgehog1245. I hope you're doing fine.

Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, the answer to your question regarding the color theme change, you have to switch to source mode and look for the color codes with the number symbol. Then you can edit the color codes to the colors you choice.

Do you want to appear on chat some time?

I have just made a guestbook. It is called Harmony Agency. Check my user for that. Do you want to join? 

Just let me know, dear friend.(smile)

kBh6dCt.gifPinkgirl234 Sweet Treat 5DbANvV.pngPinkgirl234 (talk) 11:48, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Appreciate the invite. Let me have some time to think about it, and I'll get back to you sometime within the next month, once the holidays are past.

Thanks, Pinkgirl234! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 13:32, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


Have you tried Advanced Warfare yet? Coolautiz (talk) 03:02, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

No, not yet. My younger brother has a copy, so I might give it a shot sometime after the holidays. I'm more into the likes of Modern Warfare and those Call of Duty titles that take place during WWII or the Cold War, like World at War or Black Ops.

Thanks for asking though. I appreciate the thought.

And next time you send me a message, don't forget your signature as well. It will make it easier to know who asked me this. Thanks! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 01:19, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Got it and my bad. Coolautiz (talk) 03:02, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

No problem, Coolautiz.

As for Advanced Warfare, I think my younger brother said I could play it if I wanted to. I'll have to double-check with him as one day, he's all friendly and generous, the next, he's just plain ornery and hostile. I never get him sometimes, but at least he is able to let me enjoy having fun on the Zombies mode of the Call of Duty games.

I'll let you know when I have given Advanced Warfare a shot. Would you like me to notify you on your talk page or mine? SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 03:17, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Mine and what platform? Coolautiz (talk) 03:53, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

PlayStation 3, Coolautiz. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 14:26, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


Hey SonictheHedgehog1245. How have you been? (wave) kBh6dCt.gifPinkgirl234 Sweet Treat 5DbANvV.png 07:46, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Pretty good. Had a good holiday, now I just have to look into my birthday coming up next week. Thanks for asking. I appreciate it a lot! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 14:58, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

If you had to choose...

...which princess would you go out with on a date? Celestia, Luna, Cadance or Twilight? GamerBoi42 (talk) 23:09, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Out of all four, I'm settling towards the Solar Sovereign, Celestia. Cadance comes close as a second choice for me. The main reason: I have plushies of Celestia and Cadance that I got as a graduation gift from my parents. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 23:51, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Belated B-day

Belated happy birthday, SonictheHedgehog1245! (yay) (hug14)

kBh6dCt.gifPinkgirl234 Sweet Treat 5DbANvV.png 21:24, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the late birthday wishes, Pinkgirl234! Much appreciated! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:01, January 14, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, Sonic. You may have noticed I undid or reworded some of your recent edits for reasons of redundancy, embellishment/exaggeration, or being in-universe. If I can offer a bit of critique, your edits tend to lean a little toward opinionated and favoritist:

In small amounts, this is perfectly fine, but I feel I should inform you that the Wiki is more like an encyclopedia than, say... a novel. Articles should read like summaries instead of stories. Feel free to check out the "Content" section on the guidelines page for more info about this. Thanks! furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 19:37, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if I exaggerated a bit on some of the stuff I added in my recent edits, Imperfect. I just felt that Celestia getting the Worf Effect again with it being just her Season 5 debut felt a little humiliating for her, but once I caught that bit at the end where she was simply concealing her true thoughts on the Smooze and Discord's antics at the Gala, acting like she was as discomforted and annoyed as Twilight and everypony else, I quickly subverted myself. I'll try to be shorter in my edits from now on and not exaggerate again like I did with Make New Friends but Keep Discord. Thanks for the help, Imperfect. Much appreciated.

By the way, can you help me with designing my own Template for my signature? Thanks. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 00:12, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


"I was considering having Imperfect or one of the other Admins drop the Ban-hammer on you for that."

I appreciate your diligence in the comments, but please don't intimidate other users like that, even if you don't mean to. This isn't a "ban first, ask questions later" Wiki. Sunstarofriverclan2004 saying sorry should have been the end of it -- there's no need to frighten other users by saying you'll have an admin ban or block them. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 00:09, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

My apologies for that, Imperfect. Since I'm an Admin over on the PAW Patrol Wiki, I guess I was using some of my authority over there to help you and the other Admins and comment controllers like Guildmaster out with that one user. Again, my apologies. My bad. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 03:11, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
Apology accepted. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 03:19, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Imperfect. Appreciate it. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 03:20, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

Friend from the PAW Patrol Wiki

Hey Sonic! I know you from the PAW Patrol Wiki! :D PAWPatrolFanGirl (talk) 00:47, September 13, 2015 (UTC)PAWPatrolFanGirl

Glad to see you found me on the My Little Pony Wiki! SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 01:14, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Equestria Girls Wiki Friend

sonic you interact on the mlp wiki as well as the eg wikia?Pokemonmastercb (talk) 03:06, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Of course. Why do you ask? SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 03:13, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

Talk page messages

Do not remove them. Thank you. Guildmaster Grovyle (talk) 03:07, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Unless you're moving them to an archive. Double thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 03:08, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
Appreciate the advice, though I don't know how to actually archive them, so that's what I was choosing to delete them to be able to access Visual Mode again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:13, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
Create a new page located at a subpage of your talk page -- for example, "User talk:SonictheHedgehog1245/Archive 1". Insert this line at the top:
{{Archive|User talk:SonictheHedgehog1245}}
Then simply cut and paste the messages you wish to remove from this page to the other. When you're done, provide a link from this page to the archive to make it accessible.
If you get confused, let me know which (or how many) messages you want removed, and I'll do it for you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:08, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, let me try making the sub-page and link first. Do I include the "" tags as well? equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:48, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

No, don't include those. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 16:13, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
Alright. I already took care of making the sub-page. Now I just need to provide a link to it, then there's the matter of transferring all my old messages from talking with Pokemonmastercb into the Archive.
What should I say for the link? equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 22:18, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
You don't need to "say" anything. Just put a link to the archive somewhere on this page. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 00:05, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks, Imperfect. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:25, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

More talk regarding To Where and Back Again and so many leftover questions from it

Agreed. I don’t understand either on why the producers wouldn’t show any of the negative effects on the Mane 6 and Royal Family members Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor from Chrysalis’ plot, or showing how Chrysalis pulled off both kidnappings without drawing any attention as soon as possible like during Season 7. We want to see how our heroes and royalty who were involved with the wedding crisis become extremely fragile mentally and emotionally other than former villains like Luna, Sunset, Starlight, and Sci Twi with many allies from the past stepping up to help. Not to mention showing how Chrysalis kidnapped Cadance in Season 2 and the whole group in Season 6. Otherwise, we have no idea on what could they be thinking with making To Where and Back Again like that. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:46, January 1, 2018 (UTC))

Agreed, it is always a bad storyline when you leave out so many critical details and leave so many questions behind. Unless you provide a means in the storyline to avoid causing so much confusion and disappointment as to how a villain managed to pull of their plan without drawing too much attention to it and raising alarms or red flags in the process, it really ruins the whole storyline as a whole because of that. I really hope that, perhaps, Chrysalis explains herself when she finally accepts defeat, reveals how she pulled off her plans, and then begs for forgiveness when faced with having Cerberus as her warden for eternity because of her crimes, though depending on how they feel hearing everything, I do wonder if the Mane Six and Royal Family would be willing to show her mercy, especially with the Pillars there to consider the final fate of Chrysalis as well. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 17:11, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, I don’t care if the theme for Season 8 is the friendship school. They seriously need to use this season to show how Chrysalis pulled off her plots in both A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again without drawing any attention, and show the victims of the Royal Wedding crisis(Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor) starting to have psyche problems and become fragile caused by Chrysalis’ schemes twice and despite her cloning plot being backfired along with her possibly releasing Lord Tirek. You maybe focused on her final judgment, but I’m more focused on how these veteran victims of A Canterlot Wedding start to suffer mentally and emotionally with a lot friends and allies stepping up. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:00, January 2, 2018 (UTC))

I know, but I also want to know whether the events of A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again have taken their toll on the Mane Six and Royal Family, but just haven't shown up yet and probably will during Season 8. I both want to see if the events from those two finales have wrought their damage on their psyche, and whether Chrysalis will finally see sense to give up and reform before facing an eternal imprisonment in Tartarus for her crimes. I'm sure a lot of Bronies are thinking the same thing, but we still have a few months before we get to see if our ideas will be implemented or not in the next season. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:20, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

They could even be like Luke Skywalker from The Last Jedi. He was a great hero to the galaxy, but became broken and full of remorse after his nephew destroyed everything he built and decided to give it all up. Maybe Season 8 could show something that would make those involved with the wedding crisis because of Chrysalis like the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally start to fall apart and decided to give everything up. Since her evil clones of the Mane 6 would eventually backfire, Chrysalis can disguise herself to be Celestia and go to Tartarus to release Tirek so that Equestria could blame the real Celestia into dooming Equestria after releasing Tirek. If not, Chrysalis can really find a spell to finally show the victims their failure on defending Equestria from her twice and cause them to really fall apart and abandon everything. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:01, January 2, 2018 (UTC))

Of course, even if she succeeded at that, there are plenty of people who would be willing to help the Mane Six and Royal Family regain their spirits and morale, including the Pillars, Ember, Rutherford, Thorax and Pharynx, and many others, including the Crusaders, Cheerilee, Mayor Mare, and more. I really don't think Chrysalis will think victory will be hers once she sees how so many people affected by the friendship with the Mane Six and Royal Family come to their aid and are ready to fight to take her down for good. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:25, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Right, and I know friends and allies will be here to prevent Chrysalis from achieving total victory even after releasing Tirek once they restore the Mane 6 and Royal Family’s morale. First things first before that, I want to see how they develop their psyche problems and become significantly fragile with full of remorse from the crisis in A Canterlot Wedding to the moment in To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 13:48, January 3, 2018 (UTC))

I understand. I have been wanting to see that as well. I really hope that the writers don't disappoint next season with what happens there based on the feedback they've been getting from the Brony Community as it is. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:52, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe we’ll be lucky if the Season 8 premiere is a two parter again which may feature the Mane 6 and Royal Family who first witness the crisis at the wedding in Season 2 start to fall to pieces very badly because Chrysalis used dark magic, but unfortunately she just appeared in episode 13 after To Where and Back Again and didn’t mentioned any past plan from the upcoming premiere, so that’s out of the question. The premiere is possibly originally taken place after the incident with the Storm King with Twilight and her friends decided to open up a new school to teach friendship for all creatures like ponies, griffins, yaks, dragons, etc. with leaders and past characters coming together for this occasion. I just thought the premiere would show our heroes and monarchs would finally go to pieces because of Chrysalis’ actions and that friend and allies would put aside their differences and step up to fight a new danger other than Chrysalis or Tirek, and in the end, all creatures became friends and started a new school. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 19:17, January 3, 2018 (UTC))

I know how you feel about all that, but I don't blame the writers if they are still hesitant to deal with those questions left over from To Where and Back Again until near the midway point of the next season. While it is true that I would like to see those questions answered as well, I am interested in how the writers handle it with what we know so far, especially considering how Chrysalis' return is not until episode 13 of the next season, and even then, her plan fails, but she refuses to give up that easily. Still, I can't watch To Where and Back Again any more until the writers give us the closure we want. I really hope Season 8 can grant that in some way while working the events from the movie into the season alongside everything from Season 7, especially with Star Swirl and the Pillars. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:00, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. I don’t understand why the writers are very hesitant on giving us answers on To Where and Back Again like how did she do the kidnapping so easily without alarming any pony like she did to Cadance in A Canterlot Wedding and how significant the effects were on the Mane 6 and Royal Family from events in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. You know reformed villains like Sunset, Starlight, and Sci Twi can’t be the only ones to feel fragile and full of remorse, Twilight and the others who were involved with the wedding can get them too, and I don’t see the problem on doing that. The premiere, finale, or somewhere in Season 8 must be our best bet. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:43, January 4, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I agree. I don't understand why the writers are hesitating on giving us the answers we want regarding To Where and Back Again and A Canterlot Wedding. The Season 6 finale might have been mainly for Starlight to complete her reformation, but it still does not make up for how the Mane Six and Royal Family were treated for it to happen. I know how Sunset and human Twilight felt following their time as evil beings and wanting to prove they had reformed for the better, so they need to show how the Mane Six and Royal Family felt about being duped by Chrysalis and nearly letting her take Equestria away from them twice already, and already making it clear she will try again in the future, with or without the Swarm behind her. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:40, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. We desperately wanted to see how significantly fragile and negative they are after almost failing to fight off Chrysalis and almost letting her take Equestria easily twice since we can see how severe their mental states can be sometimes after going through these two dark events already. They can see To Where and Back Again and the entire storyline doesn’t make any sense so far. If we can’t see them start feeling darkness and negativity in Season 8, then when? Most of us can’t hold on that long to not watching A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:12, January 4, 2018 (UTC))

I know, and I'm sure a lot of Bronies want that closure as soon as possible. If the writers and producers don't give us what we want before the series ends, there is going to be a lot of disappointed Bronies who never got the answers they wanted before the series ended. Also, despite how much I enjoy talking about this, CosmoStar24, I don't want to have to reply to your replies every hour or so. It does get annoying after a while when I'm browsing other Wikis and I get that notification that you've replied again on my Talk Page here. Please try to avoid doing it so much. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:17, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it’s all about the fact that I don’t know how long we can hold not watching To Where and Back Again. Besides, the things are so far, it looks like Discord maybe on the hunt for Chrysalis before she completely strikes back, and possibly run into Tirek again because of her. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 03:02, January 5, 2018 (UTC))

Judging from what was leaked before the season debuts in a few months, I woudn't blame the Princesses wanting Discord to hunt her down before she has a chance to strike again so they don't have to deal with being stuck in cocoons again, especially Celestia. The mere thought of knowing Chrysalis is still out there and consumed by vengeance would spook anyone that crossed her path. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:53, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

That includes the possibility of releasing Tirek from prison by maybe disguising as Celestia or whoever to get past Cerberus. Besides the fact of Discord hunting Chrysalis, they should one day have a party or celebration to lighten up the spirits and moral of the Mane 6 and Royal Family after feeling fragile and full of remorse since that’s the one thing I care about after To Where and Back Again. I like the same celebration or party to be like the one from the end of the movie, but this there should be friends and allies from the past seasons other than the film like Changelings, griffins, dragons, yaks, Coco, Moon Dancer, Silver, etc. . It should still feel like Slice of Life. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 02:36, January 8, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I share your concern about there being a party to help restore the morale of the Mane Six and Royal Family once the threat of Chrysalis and Lord Tirek is finally put to rest. Having all the characters that they've befriended in the past be a part of that party would be a great idea and really help build that morale back up, knowing that all those friends and allies are there to help them in their time of need after a big threat like Chrysalis or Lord Tirek has been finally dealt with once and for all. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:59, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

I think the party to restore their morale should be before the final confrontation with Chrysalis and Tirek, because we want to see something to really trigger the negativity from the dark moments with Chrysalis on victims from the wedding that made them full of remorse and became broken emotionally and mentally. That way allies can help and step up in battle. Right now I don’t care which one goes first, the only thing I care about and the one thing I want is seeing the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor become broken mentally. Those characters I’ve mentioned were involved with the dark moments and crisis in A Canterlot Wedding when they first encountered Chrysalis, and that should’ve made things worse for them in To Where and Back Again where they almost let Equestria fall easily to her for the second time in a row. I’ve seen reformed villains turn heroes have major remorse, but now it’s their turn to go through that. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:51, January 9, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea to me, CosmoStar24. I really do hope a lot of Bronies are considering the same idea and want the writers to deal with this as soon as possible. I know a lot of them did not like how things went in To Where and Back Again and want some sort of closure to that. Even if Chrysalis doesn't reform by the end of Season 8, there's still Season 9 to consider, along with all the written media in the books and everything. Like you said, we've seen reformed villains-turned-heroes go through with the guilt and remorse, but it is about time to see how the Mane Six and Royal Family deal with it as they consider how close Chrysalis came to winning in her last two attempts at Equestria when she still had the support of the Swarm behind her. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:47, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, time for our heroes to experience the pain, guilt, and remorse these reformed villains-turned-heroes like Sunset Shimmer, Sci Twi, and Starlight Glimmer been through, but I don’t know about waiting until Season 9 if it’s mot in Season 8. After seeing things in Season 7, the movie, and of course the Season 8 spoilers, there are some things that could’ve possibly shown or trigger their dark negative feelings from those two incidents involving Chrysalis, and also something for allies from past seasons to step up and get involved. In A Royal Problem, the argument could’ve been about their last conflicts with Chrysalis and the Changelings. Celestia could have possibly hold a bit of a grudge on Luna for not helping out on both occasions like adding her during the wedding to prevent from being cocooned, or use the dream magic to alert on a possible capture since she’s the Princess of the Night. During the movie, the friends the Mane 6 came across on their journey came to Twilight’s rescue and party together in the end. That is something that should’ve happened in To Where and Back Again with allies like Coco Pommel, the Wonderbolts, Zecora, Ember, Moon Dancer, citizens of Ponyville, Gilda, Thorax, etc. coming to rescue the Mane 6 and Royal Family and partying together in the end. They really should do that in Season 8 to make up for that. Also the moment Twilight was rejected in the movie, it just made me feel like something from A Canterlot Wedding. In Season 8 spoilers, the Mean 6 episode involving cloning could’ve helped trigger their darkness and become so fragile to possibly give on what they learned, but it was a backfired plot. Whatever the case is, they seriously need to add the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally going to pieces real quickly and start to feel too broken to fight back against Chrysalis or Tirek in Season 8 it involves two darkest foes alive, especially being something like Zaheer doing dark deeds to make Korra unstable mentally and physically. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 22:51, January 9, 2018 (UTC))

Agreed, but try not to be so descriptive with your replies, CosmoStar24. I can't reply with as much detail as you do, and if you might be rambling about the same things over and over again when I've already agreed on them and want them to be used in the next season or so if the writers have been considering doing it since seeing the Season 2 and 6 finales themselves. I would like to see if Chrysalis' actions have affected the Mane Six and Royal Family in any way, especially severely with their psyche and belief that they are no longer able to defend Equestria as well as before because she outsmarted them twice already and, even without the Swarm, can still outsmart them again unless they are prepared to counter her next time she shows herself. Worse still, if Chrysalis decides to take the risk and help free Lord Tirek from Tartarus to aid in her revenge, this could mean disaster for Equestria if the Mane Six and Royal Family are in no position to stop them because they are haunted by the fear of being outsmarted again by Chrysalis. They would have to leave it to their allies to help stop the villains. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:56, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for rambling again. I know you agreed to this, but I was trying to hope we get clues connected to my ideas I’ve been speculating for Season 8. Even if the theme for Season 8 is about the school to teach friendship, I’m still taking my chances on having this season feature the Mane 6 and Royal Family finally become broken after almost allowing Chrysalis to rule Equestria twice. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:55, January 10, 2018 (UTC))

I also would like to see if that is the case this coming season, despite the theme being around the school Twilight and the Mane Six create to pass on their teachings to the next generation like Star Swirl suggested. I really do hope that Chrysalis' actions finally catch up to them and the Royal Family and have them doubting they can protect Equestria any further after nearly letting if fall into her clutches twice before already. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:15, January 10, 2018 (UTC)

That’s why I want them to go through what Luke Skywalker has been through when he lost Jedi. I like to see a premiere or somewhere during the season to show the Mane 6 and Royal Family feel broken and full of remorse if it involves Chrysalis or another force causing their school to crumble and ruin everything, but in the end everything was all right. Mostly the other reason for seeing them like this was because Celestia was always lovable and full of sunshine to the ponies despite suffering by Chrysalis twice so easily. I wouldn’t have to remind you on Cadance and Shining Armor since A Canterlot Wedding. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:37, January 11, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea for the writers and producers to consider since Season 8 will be an interesting season, due to taking place sometime after the events from the movie as everyone works to continue passing on the message of friendship to the next generation, especially as the Mane Six take Star Swirl's advice to heart with passing their knowledge on to others, especially al the races they've met and befriended. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:06, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

It is possible that the Season 8 premiere takes place after the incident with the Storm King. Twilight and her friends began building this school to spread friendship and creatures from across Equestria would come together. Still, that doesn’t change the fact that one day they should moments that the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally became fragile and that close friends and allies from past seasons are stepping up in possible crisis with all of them celebrating together like what we saw in the movie where allies from the journey battle the army and party together in the end. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:17, January 15, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea for the Season 8 premiere, but I wanna see what actually is going to happen through official info released by Hasbro as we get closer to April and the debut of Season 8 as it is. I can be patient and wait to see what to expect while I still want to see some sort of closure to the events of To Where and Back Again next season so we can put it behind us. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:37, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. We should wait when official promo is out. I was now thinking that maybe instead of the cloning plan having backfired, it would’ve been a great devious plot by Chrysalis for the Mane 6 and Royal Family accusing each other on being the queen since I think they might be even more hostile towards her like in Season 6 despite the swarm being good with Thorax in charge. That may be the ultimate trigger for them to finally become fragile and allow Chrysalis to have them be under her clutches again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:37, January 16, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good theory that could have worked in place of what we will see in Season 8, and provide a means for the Mane Six and Royal Family to be in a state of needing the support of Thorax, Pharynx, Ember, Rutherford, Thunderhooves, and all their friends to protect the country because they were in no position to do so after what Chrysalis put them through. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:50, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

But after we saw that spoiler involving the Mean 6, it didn’t happen. Now they must try something else that would trigger their negativity which would make the Mane 6 and Royal Family fragile because of almost letting Chrysalis easily rule Equestria on both events and making them unable to defend Equestria or anyone leaving friends and allies to defend themselves. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:18, January 18, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds about right to me. It will be interesting to see what Season 8 has to offer anyway regarding what the second half of the season deals with following Chrysalis' failed plan with the Mane Six clones. If she gets desperate enough to actually ally with Lord Tirek, then that would pose a problem to the Mane Six and Royal Family after what they went through previously. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:13, January 18, 2018 (UTC)

That would indeed be a big problem. Last time they defeated Tirek, they have to use Rainbow Power to do that. If Tirek returns he may not be fooled by this again, and worse the Mane 6 have no idea how to use it again. Tirek could’ve used his evil to poison the elements maybe because of the evil clones contaminated them before being destroyed. Also maybe for the second half, Chrysalis finally cast a spell to finally let the dark moments involving her get to them and start to come to pieces. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 02:17, January 19, 2018 (UTC))

That is one good theory. However, I'm guessing that the Elements sensed that the Mane Six before them were not the real deals, hence why they turned black as each of them sensed the clones acting like the opposite of their respective Element, and once the Element of Magic sensed that the Twilight before it was phony, the Tree took it upon itself to punish the clones by turning them into crystal logs colored after the Mane Six. The Tree and the Elements seem to know when they are facing the real Mane Six or not, and can punish those that would use the Elements for evil. As for Lord Tirek, unless the Mane Six can figure out how to summon Rainbow Power again, they may not be so lucky next time, especially if he teams up with Chrysalis so both can get their revenge. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:17, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Just thought that the contamination on the Elements of Harmony by these clones would help activate the darkness and fragile state of the Mane 6. There got to be something for that to happen on not just the Mane 6, but also Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor because of the wedding crisis caused by Chrysalis and making things worse in To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:05, January 20, 2018 (UTC))

I understand that, but it was clear that after the Elements sensed the opposite of their respective attributes in the clones and did away with them, the Elements returned to normal, none the worse for wear and tear, or possibly damage because of what the Tree just experienced with the phony Mane Six. If their power was strong enough to deal with fakes without any side effects, then they should be fine for when the Mane Six need them again for dealing with Chrysalis or Lord Tirek in the future. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:20, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but still, Tirek may not fall by that same kind of magic again once he returns. Maybe he may find a way or two to steal the magic from the Elements and the Tree of Harmony to make sure they don’t pull it off if both he and Chrysalis wanted to complete their ultimate revenge. Not to mention that once he discovered the Pillars return from Limbo, he might go after them first to help regain more strength again. Even if the Elements are powerful, there must be a way for the Mane 6 and Royal Family members involved with the wedding fiasco to fall completely to pieces and unable to continue with their duties. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:31, January 21, 2018 (UTC))

True, and if Tirek learns about Star Swirl and the Pillars, who's to say he would go after them first before targeting the Princesses again, especially if Chrysalis is able to make them easy targets by trapping them in cocoons again? Still, I do hope that your ideas regarding the Royal Family and Mane Six losing morale and faith in protecting Equestria and leaving it to their friends and allies to pick up the slack is considered by the writers for the next season or so. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:41, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

Waiting till after the Legends of Equestria are done to get all the answers is longer enough for me. I have no way idea if I can wait until the final season to finally see the Mane 6 and Royal Family start to fall to pieces and lose their morale because of Chrysalis. Season 8 has got to be our best bet since it involves her, despite her evil clone backfired in one episode, and Tirek. We all know perfectly well that seeing them becoming fragile was never out of the question after witnessing their dark and painful experiences in both A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again even after seeing the episodes and synopsis being leaked on Equestria Daily. One of these new two-parters must contain some clues to seeing our heroes feeling like quitters. Celestia hasn’t been feeling great fragile or remorse like her sister Luna after being Nightmare Moon. Cadance and Shining Armor didn’t feel fragile after being victimized by Chrysalis twice that easily just like Celestia was suppose to go through with the Mane 6. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:35, January 22, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, Season 8 will be an interesting season, but since I have not seen much in terms of the leaked stuff and want to keep hold of the suspense and hype for the next season, that kind of helps me see if our ideas are actually implemented if I go in blind instead of thinking it will happen, only to get disappointed when the ideas were not used at all. Chrysalis may have failed with the one plan, and Lord Tirek will be making a return this coming season as well, but I want to find out for myself as to what the writers and producers have planned for this season, especially considering the overall theme for the season as well. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:40, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

I understand that you are not interested in seeing leaked information about Season 8. To me right now, these episodes are interesting, but their are things missing like telling stories how Chrysalis pulled off kidnappings in both A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again along with showing negative effects. All I was ever looking for are clues to the idea to know they really agreed on that, but judging on the synopsis for the premiere and finale, the chances of that are rather slim. This season is most likely focused on the Mane 6 and their students for these two-parters. When I heard Chrysalis and Tirek will be in the same season, we might have a good chance of seeing the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally become fragile because of what Chrysalis had put them through since the wedding fiasco. We all saw Chrysalis flew away without anypony noticing indicating her possible return in the finale disguising herself to be someone called Cozy Glow or something and team up with Tirek to trap the Mane 6 in Tartarus. They seriously need to add the Royal Family into the mix. I understand the finale may involve students stepping up, but I don’t think it would be any good for me. There suppose to be involving friends and allies they’ve met and helped like Coco, Moon Dancer, Silver, Ember, Thorax, Cheese Sandwich, etc. trying to return the favor. My fears may become real once all my speculations I’ve been doing for over a year was wasted. Then I think I can conclude that To Where and Back Again they made was a mistake, and I’ll never understand on what could they be thinking coming up with that idea like that if they never planned on showing our heroes and leaders losing themselves from those moments in the future. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:51, January 23, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I share your concerns about having some sort of closure to the Season 6 finale being wasted in the next season because they wanted to focus on other ideas and themes instead of having the Mane Six and Royal Family show some sort of fear about Chrysalis returning and not being able to stop her this time after being outsmarted by her twice before and not taking precautions to prepare for her return so they won't be outsmarted again. What is worse is if Chrysalis decides to ally with Lord Tirek to get her revenge on Starlight while Tirek focuses on his revenge on the Mane Six for his previous defeat by them back in the Season 4 finale. I really hope that, depending on how things work out with Season 8, some sort of reason behind Chrysalis and her actions give a reason why the Mane Six and Royal Family were not fearful of being outsmarted by her again, such as having some sort of long-term backstory regarding her that gave reason why they were not scared of losing Equestria to her again after what she has put them through with the events of A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again as it is. Having some sort of history with her before the events of those two finales would give reason not to be fearful of her return after she escaped at the end of To Where and Back Again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:49, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

You’re right. There must be a very good reason why they never showed any fear of Chrysalis almost succeeding again or finally becoming fragile immediately after the events of To Where and Back Again. Still, I don’t understand why they wouldn’t let Twilight and the others go through the fragile state like reformed villains did. It’s their turn to experience that no matter what theme this new season is. That includes seeing past friends and allies stepping up in battle other than students in the possible season finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:04, January 24, 2018 (UTC))

I have no idea why they have not decided to implement that idea yet, but I'm certain they have their reasons based on what we will see in Season 8 as they deal with Chrysalis, Lord Tirek, and those new characters being introduced following the events of the movie itself. We still have a few months before the season airs, so there's still time to think about what could happen from what info we already have. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:07, January 24, 2018 (UTC)

At this rate, depending on these upcoming episodes, I may never watch A Canterlot Wedding or To Where and Back Again for a long time or ever again. My true and only purpose on watching these old finales with Chrysalis in them was to see the Mane 6 and Royal Family start to be fragile and full of remorse somewhere in Season 8 since Season 7 is all about Legends of Magic. Sooner or later they have to face facts and agree to what I said about this. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:05, January 24, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I'm with you there. I may never watch those finales again because of what happened in them, and how the writers never took into account following them up in some way in the following seasons to help bring about some sort of closure to them. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:56, January 24, 2018 (UTC)

Well the only hope to watching both A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again was for the finale to show some clues that my ideas were real. We all know they should include members of the Royal Family being in trouble like the Mane 6 and other allies from past seasons would step up in battle other than students and the CMC. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:29, January 25, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I'm with you on that, but time will tell as to what Season 8 will bring us, along with if we get any closure to the events of To Where and Back Again and A Canterlot Wedding as well. That should be one of the main goals of the writers: to give us that closure that those Bronies disappointed in the Season 6 finale want so they are willing to watch it again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:53, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the writers can’t forget the main goals after To Where and Back Again. I maybe hoping that the Season 8 finale can be the trigger for the Mane 6 and Royal Family to start being in a fragile state if Chrysalis disguised herself as Cozy Glow to ruin the work the Mane 6 made with some help with Tirek and got the upper hand again to rule Equestria. I know the heroes maybe trap in Tartarus, but their must be something the Royal Family can suffer despite their chance in Season 4. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:29, January 26, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea for the Season 8 finale, but I want to get confirmation regarding that from Hasbro before I start jumping to any conclusions regarding what Chrysalis has planned for Season 8 as she attempts to take her revenge on Starlight and everyone else who dared to cross her path and ruin her plans for taking Equestria for herself. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:38, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

I want to see what episodes including the finale Hasbro have confirmed too. My ideas for the finale make sense since it involves Chrysalis and Tirek together seeking revenge. Those writers can’t just forget the main goal after To Where and Back Again. That’s the reason why I hope the new finale becomes the trigger for the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor becoming fragile so we can see how guilty they are for never stopping Chrysalis right since the A Canterlot Wedding. Also to see Celestia go through great remorse like her sister. I also think the writers consider adding past allies other than just students to step up in the Season 8 finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:45, January 26, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, CosmoStar24. It will be interesting to see what happens when Season 8 starts in a few months. If we get a good season premiere, I'm sure the season finale will be just as awesome depending on the long-term story plot that they implement over the course of the season. As long as it covers everything regarding Chrysalis, her revenge, and if the Mane Six and Royal Family suffer any fear or paranoia about her returning and they are not ready this time around, that will be enough to satisfy me. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:27, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of story plots, the moment Chrysalis fled without being noticed in Mean 6 could be part of it since her plan to use the clones to get to the Elements backfired, Chrysalis may discover Tartarus and team up with Tirek to seek revenge and Cozy Glow will be her new disguise to infiltrate the school during the finale. Both the Mane 6 and Royal Family could face despair and hopelessness in that event. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:38, January 29, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea, CosmoStar24, but remember, I would rather see what Hasbro has to say on the matter before jumping to any conclusions with what will happen in Season 8, especially after the halfway point regarding Chrysalis and her plan with the clones. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 02:20, January 29, 2018 (UTC)

Right. At least we can see all leaders come together for the development of this school. It would be better if they were involved helping the Mane 6 and Royal Family once they got bummed out they lost their colors to make up To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:38, January 31, 2018 (UTC))

Indeed, and having Rutherford, Ember, and all those allies helping them out would really rebuild morale to deal with Chrysalis and Lord Tirek in future encounters. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 02:16, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

I think that Season 8 might be our last chance to see some negativity mentally and emotionally because of both A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again since the the season finale may involve Chrysalis and Tirek working together to have a final chance of revenge. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:06, February 1, 2018 (UTC))

Possibly, but we won't know for sure until the season officially starts in a couple of months. Let's hope our ideas are made a reality by the writers during Season 8. I would hate to see Haber be unable to bring some sort of closure to the events of To Where and Back Again before the series officially ends. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:16, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

I couldn’t agree with you more. The writers should see that we all hate to see the series end without any dark and negative effects on the Mane 6 and Royal Family after what they’ve been through with Chrysalis in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. They were outsmarted and suffering twice already which should’ve effected them greatly mentally and emotionally. Now I really want to see them become fragile if Chrysalis outsmarted them for the third time in a row other than creating clones, but by possibly releasing Tirek from Tartarus and maybe even disguising as Cozy Glow to infiltrate the school and ruined everything the the Mane 6 created. We all know Princess Luna already had her chance to be in a fragile state after her deeds as Nightmare Moon, so they should see it’s Celestia’s turn to be fragile because of being victimized badly by Chrysalis twice especially since being cocooned twice in a row. As for Cadance and Shining Armor, those two could’ve been out of sorts since they were major victims of Chrysalis since the wedding due to Cadance being beaten and trapped by Chrysalis while she impersonated her to cast a spell on Shining Armor manipulate him with the others to turn against Twilight which made her devastated. The writers should somehow add the Royal Family members involved with the wedding crisis as victims to Chrysalis’ and Tirek’s revenge in a possible season finale so the Mane 6 won’t be the only targets. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 17:58, February 3, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea to me, CosmoStar24. Time will tell as to what Season 8 has planned for us and if our ideas regarding what happens in that season will come true or not. Also, sorry for making this reply so short. Not much else I could add on to balance out with all the lines from your last reply. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:10, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

It’s all right. After all, we all wanted to see the fragile state of the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor because of Chrysalis besting them and almost letting her rule Equestria easily twice with the possibility of letting that happen somewhere in Season 8. It’s because those characters became great victims since the wedding where Cadance was kidnapped and beaten, Celestia overpowered and cocooned twice, Shining Armor not trusting his sister, and Twilight being broken by being rejected by the ponies she cared about. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:03, February 6, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that about sums everything up. Let's see what Season 8 brings us regarding Chrysalis as it is since we know that the halfway point of the season has her deal with those evil clones she creates while the Mane Six are working with their new school to spread friendship further from Equestria's borders in regards to all the students they get in one of Rutherford's younger yaks, one of Thorax's Changelings, a hippogriff, one of the younger dragons under Ember, and two others who escape my mind at the moment. After that, we'll see what Chrysalis and Lord Tirek have planned for the finale if that is when they reappear next season. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:10, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Beside, I think that maybe the Season ends with an epic cliffhanger with Chrysalis and Tirek escaping once again plotting their next assault in Season 9. I think because of both Chrysalis possibly disguising as Cozy Glow and Tirek keeping the Mane 6 occupied in Tartarus, the school was damaged and practically all the things the Mane 6 work so hard was wrecked. That might finally show them being fragile. But even so, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor must have this fragile state too one way or another because of the loss event in the Season 8 finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:04, February 7, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good theory for the Season 8 finale, but I'm more interested in what the writers have planned, and since the start of the season is still some time off, I don't want to be jumping to conclusions too early before seeing what the main theme of Season 8 is from the season premiere to the season finale. Patience is a virtue, after all. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:08, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

I know most of us don’t want to jump to conclusions, but so far I think the finale may have the six different creatures to step up as a sign of unity. If that’s true, then they still need to find someway for other allies from past seasons to help in battle and to see both the Mane 6 and Royal Family finally starting to fall to pieces in maybe Season 9 premiere if Season 8 finale involves Tirek and Chrysalis teaming up. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:21, February 9, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea for the finale to me. However, I'm not jumping to any conclusions until we get the official info for the finale on all the television sources as the season makes the run from its debut month to near the end of the year. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:25, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

That’s true, and you made a point there. I did make a good theory for that finale involving students stepping up, but I am still wanting to see the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally go to pieces following incidents in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. Even after seeing Celestia upset with Twilight’s lies on her act and Chrysalis dealing with her clones of the Mane 6 which never went well and backfired from the start to the end, it doesn’t show any major guilt on putting their land in the state of crisis because of her in both events. Not only that, so far neither of these episodes in Season 8 have any clues about learning on how Chrysalis kidnapped Cadance and the whole group in the past. We must hope they have clues of them finally becoming fragile for Season 8 or 9, and before the series ends, or else. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 22:29, February 10, 2018 (UTC))

True, we would like some answers to some of those questions that the Season 2 and 6 finales left behind before the series ends. I would not like to have to contend with the thought of figuring it out through speculation and various theories that the Brony Community has developed regarding those issues. Let's hope the next season or Season 9 deals with everything, or there will be a lot of upset Bronies who did not get the answers they wanted before the series ended, especially you and me. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:24, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Right. So they better show something like having the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally go to pieces and become broken because of Chrysalis in both Season 2 and 6 finales with many past allies coming to their aid and get answers on how Chrysalis pulled off both kidnappings somewhere during Seasons 8 or 9 or somewhere during the end of the series, or there will be trouble. Also another thing for To Where and Back Again just came up. If they add moments in that finale like some pony accident blab about forgetting to cast a spell on the victims like she did in A Canterlot Wedding to become hypnotized or become mutated changelings, then that would really help out for a fan like me since the veterans from that wedding would definitely be traumatized and fragile in the following season which renders them unable to continue with their duties because of that, and allies would really step up to help them cure their fragile state with a party or something, and maybe step up in battle. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:30, February 11, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, but while I really support your ideas regarding what needs to be done in the next season or so, I still want to see what Hasbro and the writers thought of and if our ideas were considered to be dealt with in either an episode during the course of the season, or in a season premiere or finale instead. Plus, I really agree with your ideas, CosmoStar24, but please don't keep repeating them so much in your replies as it gets annoying after a while, even for me. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:55, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

You’re right, but you shouldn’t blame me for repeating this. If only they add something in To Where and Back Again like Chrysalis hearing someone blab about haven’t cast a spell on the Mane 6 and Royal Family while being cocooned into being hypnotized or mutated yet so she would in order to plan ahead this time, then we would be absolutely sure that the upcoming season would finally feature the Mane 6 and Royal Family members involved with the wedding like Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor to feel traumatized and fragile because a falling to defend Equestria from Chrysalis ever since A Canterlot Wedding, so I won’t have to speculate that much. Also, that leak episode of Season 8 involving students discovering something within the school could possibly be the entrance of Tartarus which could foreshadow Lord Tirek’s return in the upcoming finale. Hopefully they add something like a disguised Chrysalis discovered that place and maybe help him escape. Despite being possibly defeated by students at the end, this finale may have an epic cliff hanger on the possible conditions because of what happened,but it might be rumors or something since we are all still on the hunt on seeing those ponies involved with the wedding fiasco finally go to pieces. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 06:02, February 12, 2018 (UTC))

True, while there is a lot of theories being created well before the season starts regarding the students and the Mane Six, I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet until I see the season for myself. However, if we do get some sort of deal with the Mane Six and Royal Family being haunted by Chrysalis' actions and fearing they won't be able to stop her next time unless they can overcome that fear and be ready for her next time, that would be good enough to satisfy all those Bronies like you and me who were disappointed in the events of the Season 2 and 6 finales and wanted some sort of closure to it. If the students actually do something that does allow Lord Tirek to escape Tartarus again, let's hope they, or the Mane Six, are ready to deal with him again before he tries to steal everyone's magic again. As long as Tirek and Chrysalis are consumed by their lust for revenge, no amount of friendship will be enough to convince them to turn back to the Light Side from their dark paths. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:58, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

You’re right about both Chrysalis and Tirek. Right now they are both beyond the voice of reasoning with friendship. Scorpan tried to reason with his brother not to steal Equestrian magic and befriend ponies and Starlight urged Chrysalis to accept Thorax’s ideals on sharing love, but both of them cruelly refused. These two villains are practically not interested in this peaceful friendship stuff. As Star Swirl the Bearded said, “Once a villain, always a villain”, for the both of them. That’s why Chrysalis made evil clones, but was easily backfired. Her flying away without being seen may foreshadow her return in the finale. She may one day discover an unknown entrance to Tartarus from the school or any where else, and she met Tirek where he could keep the Mane 6 occupied while she could infiltrate the school by becoming Cozy Glow to ruin all the hard work Twilight and her friends made. The Royal Family should really be involved in this tight spot with the Mane 6 despite not being mentioned in the synopsis like in To Where and Back Again where the Royal Family being captured with the Mane 6 was never in the synopsis, but was part of it too. I appreciate the CMC and students stepping up, but I’m still hoping for past friends and allies including the Pillars they’ve helped to show them friendship repay their debt by stepping up in battle and even cure their heroes by Season 9 or before series ended. Even if things ended well, after dealing both Chrysalis and Tirek and because this finale maybe epic and dark, there could be clues on both the Mane 6 and Royal Family finally going to pieces in Season 9 after being outsmarted by Chrysalis and letting her have the upper hand for the third straight time. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:58, February 13, 2018 (UTC))

That all sounds just about right to me, CosmoStar24. Once we see how things work out in Season 8 with the school, we can prepare for what Season 9 has to offer as the possible last season of the series to tie up any loose ends left over before the series is retired. Even if there is some way to finally convince Tirek and Chrysalis to accept friendship, Star Swirl's words still hold some truth to them as they are beyond redemption by this point unless there is a vital flaw in their behavior that the Mane Six and Royal Family can exploit to finally get them to realize that any further attempts to take Equestria for their own is useless and agreed to give up and finally accept friendship without having to face the wrath of the Elements or Rainbow Power is they continue to refuse. Also, if the Mane Six and Royal Family do ever show some traits of being fearful of losing their home to Chrysalis next time she attacks because of how she outsmarted them twice before, when she had the support of the Changeling Swarm behind her, it will be up to friends and allies like the Pillars, Ember, Rutherford, and more to help them overcome that fear and be ready for Chrysalis when she does confront them face-to-face again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:58, February 13, 2018 (UTC)

Especially with the possibility of neither of them being part of the friendship problem. The map did call on Twilight and her friends to free Stygian from the darkness and let the Pillars see the error of their ways on not understanding him. If both Chrysalis and Tirek can be turned to the light, then the map could’ve called on the Mane 6 and Starlight to help either of them. But during the episode involving evil clones, the map was never activated to help finish what Starlight couldn’t do on Chrysalis since she is so full of evil and vengeance. That’s the reason why despite possibly escaping again with Tirek after being defeated again, those two should really make the victims of the wedding fall to pieces. Judging by the leak we saw with Season 8 focusing on the school with students, we may see them become fragile in Season 9, maybe known as the final season of the series, with past characters standing up to help in battle or cure their morale with another Slice of Life type of episode. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:34, February 13, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me since if the map did get involved, then it would be a friendship problem, but since we have not seen that yet regarding Chrysalis or Lord Tirek, they are probably too far gone in darkness to be saved. If they cause any more problems for the Mane Six or the Royal Family that finally demoralize and break their spirits, that will probably be the last thing they ever do before being condemned to Tartarus for eternity, or facing utter annihilation instead. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:49, February 13, 2018 (UTC)

You know in To Where and Back Again, they should’ve added someone saying in the changeling throne room, “Now Chrysalis may win, or worse she could figure out that if she cast a spell on Twilight and the others captive victims like she did to Shining Armor at the wedding, she'd have them as puppets or mutated changelings to add to her swarm to further her goals.” That way Chrysalis may take that word and do it in case they break free from the cocoons during the explosions and that the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor can finally be haunted and fragile in the future season despite defeating Chrysalis again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:39, February 15, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that would have been a good idea to implement in the Season 6 finale. If you've heard of the Brony Analyist Ink Rose, I found a comic she made showing Chrysalis mutating Celestia into a Changeling via the cocoon she was trapped in back in the Season 2 finale, allowing Chrysalis to take over, though the crowd was a mixture of anger and fear at seeing what had become of the Solar Sovereign when Chrysalis presented Celestia to them. That would have been a way to haunt the Mane Six and Royal Family with the fear of going through that again if they were not prepared for Chrysalis the next time she appeared for her revenge. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 02:19, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. I don’t know about the comic, but the thing of Chrysalis of having Celestia and the others being mutant changelings during To Where and Back Again via being cocooned and under a spell she cast should’ve been 100% confirmed that they should be fragile in the following season after that incident if that moment ever happened so I won’t keep speculating for over a year. That way we may also confirm that close friends and allies from past seasons can step up in battle or cheering them up. But since it never happened, they must show remorse and fragile minds by the final season. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:57, February 15, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I fully agree and support your idea regarding a central plot point for Season 9, CosmoStar24. Even if people like Ink Rose want to speculate on that via their comics, it will have to stay like that until the writers decide to deal with that issue themselves for the show. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:02, February 15, 2018 (UTC)

I read news from the NYC Toy Fair for news on Season 9 and they confirmed that Season 9 if the series’ final season. If this is the final season, then this maybe their last chance to show the Mane 6 and Royal Family members involved with the wedding fiasco to finally go to pieces because of what Chrysalis put them through in two finales. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 21:31, February 17, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds about right to me. However, I am disappointed that they are ending the series after 9 seasons. It was a good run, but I guess they want to go out on a good note before the series gets too old. After some time, they might look into a Season 10 and keep things going if popularity for the show remains high afterwards. I mean, look at SpongeBob and the Fairly Oddparents. They've been going for well over 10 seasons now, and The Simpsons for almost 30. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 22:03, February 17, 2018 (UTC)

I know you maybe disappointed, but that’s what happens in great shows. Besides we better hope the producers add stuff in Season 9 like maybe how Chrysalis did both kidnappings without drawing any attention if not in Season 8. They definitely should add the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally became fragile and full of remorse because of not protecting Equestria against Chrysalis and letting her get the best of them in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again with the possibility of her having great advantage again in Season 8 finale or somewhere that they can’t be themselves anymore with allies from past seasons they’ve helped repaying their debts by stepping up in battle or create a party for them during Season 9 since this season is their last chance to make it happen. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:31, February 18, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, but we won't know for sure what is planned until they release information about it in the months leading up to Season 9 as it is. For now, I would like to focus on Season 8 and all the stuff they will be dealing with there with the school, the students, and much more, especially being unaware of when dealing with their evil clones midway through the season. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:46, February 18, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. But I was just wanting to see Twilight and the others who suffered big by Chrysalis at the wedding start to become fragile emotionally and mentally like Sunset and Sci Twi from Equestria Girls. That way we can see both Season 2 and 6 finales again since they both can create darkness and negativity within them with the possibility of being of being outsmarted by her again despite her evil clone ideas will one day backfire. That’s why I hope Season 9 is it since Season 8 is a school theme. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 03:11, February 19, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, CosmoStar24. I'm sure a lot of Bronies are thinking the same thing and want the same stuff in Season 9 as it is once we see Season 8 with the school and everything. Either way, I'm interested in seeing what Season 8 has to offer as it is as we also resume the current seasons of Star Wars Rebels and Elena of Avalor this month as we wait for Season 8 to start next month. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 04:48, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Right. Still, me and the entire Brony community wouldn’t have to be anxious about waiting so long to see closure like showing flashbacks on how Chrysalis did both kidnappings and the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor finally going to pieces because of her actions in the following season if To Where and Back Again shows the part where someone accidentally blabs about a spell Chrysalis cast on Shining Armor back in A Canterlot Wedding, so that way she might do it again on the Mane 6 and Royal Family while being imprisoned and powerless to make them brainwashed or mutated to be with her swarm and easily help conquer Equestria before Chrysalis is being dealt with in the end. That way the news on the upcoming season will definitely have some clues to our ideas involving the victims becoming fragile emotionally and mentally with allies from past seasons coming to their aid and we won’t have to be anxious or keep speculating for that long. But in reality right now, it new did happen during the Season 6 finale without any possible clues to them losing it after failing to stop Chrysalis twice. Now with Season 9 possibly being their last chance, Season 8 maybe the finale must have clues leading to that moment if the Season 8 finale involves Chrysalis trying again after her the clones backfired earlier by somehow trapping the Mane 6 in Tartarus to meet Tirek again with maybe the Royal Family too to make sure neither of them interferes while infiltrating the school by being Cozy Glow to maybe make new changeling swarm to see vengeance on Starlight Glimmer and conquer Equestria for good. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:28, February 19, 2018 (UTC))

While I agree and support all your ideas that you posted in your last reply, there's no need to go so overboard with talking about it. I know how anxious you and many others disappointed in To Where and Back Again feel right now, so let's hope the writers don't disappoint in Season 9 with giving us that closure we want. However, if they feel that the Mane Six and Royal Family don't need to feel traumatized by being outsmarted by Chrysalis twice now, especially with what happened in To Where and Back Again, as with the Swarm now on their side with Thorax and Pharynx, so Chrysalis is not as dangerous as she once was, even with her calculating and tactical mind, there's no need to consider dealing with having them overcome that fear and paranoia that they may not be able to stop her again the next time she tries to take Equestria as they know she's still out there, is cooking up some sort of plot to get revenge on Starlight and them, and will return to take it. When she does, they will be ready for her, especially having the support of so many friends and allies to help them out, including the Pillars, Ember and the dragons, Rutherford and the yaks, and many others. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 16:43, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

That’s true and I understand that. But if Chrysalis has made an alliance with Lord Tirek in the Season 8 finale, then something negative would happen to the Mane 6 and Royal Family because of her most devious move to complete her revenge. If what you are saying about not being traumatized by Chrysalis after To Where and Back Again, the producers should think twice on making that finale. They really should’ve added allies from past seasons stepping up in battle other than the Suicide Squad or showing Chrysalis hearing someone blab about casting a spell so she could plan ahead or maybe see the path of Starlight becoming a new alicorn princess at the end of the series. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:05, February 20, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I understand your concern about that. I'm certain the writers and producers know full well about the questions and concerns that To Where and Back Again left behind and took the thoughts and comments from the Brony Community about that into consideration for why Chrysalis attempts her first scheme with the evil clones, and when that fails, flees to think up something else to ensure her vengeance is attained during the course of Season 8. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:10, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe after Chrysalis’ plan involving evil clones backfired, she flies away without being noticed and began disguising herself to spy on things like Starlight Glimmer did throughout Season 5. She may one day heard about the secret entrance to Tartarus according to one of the leak episodes where she may discover Tirek and form an alliance during the season finale. That way something negative may happen to Chrysalis’ victims at the wedding once Season 9 one day begins. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:34, February 20, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like one possible theory that could lead in to the Season 8 finale and fulfill that closure we want for To Where and Back Again, but that is still way off since the season hasn't even started yet. However, I'm sure the Brony Community has their own various ideas for closure for To Where and Back Again like you and me. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:38, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

SonictheHedgehog1245, if you and CosmoStar24 wish to continue your ongoing discussion about season 8, I recommend you do so on the Wiki Discord or another more suitable social platform. Also, I highly recommend archiving most of your messages here, as your talk page has become far too cluttered and lengthy. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:29, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up regarding my Talk Page, Imperfect. I'll set about archiving the messages from the last few months ASAP. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:11, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for doing so much. It’s all because To Where and Back Again didn’t give much clues about the Mane 6 and Royal Family becoming fragile because of Chrysalis like seeing them become under her control or even become mutated in case they break free from the cocoons. Also, I know it’s too early for finale theories, but I strongly think that Cozy Glow is indeed Chrysalis in disguise. I don’t think Cozy Glow would be a real pony who any evil as Chrysalis or Tirek and that’s why this “Cozy Glow” is Chrysalis to infiltrate that school while the Mane 6 are trapped in Tartarus with Tirek or helping him escape again. This also must involve the Royal Family being in this crisis with the Mane 6 as well so they won’t interfere or protect Starlight. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 03:18, February 21, 2018 (UTC))

I understand all your concerns and possible theories regarding Season 8 and wanting closure to what happened in To Where and Back Again, CosmoStar24. I would also like some closure as well. Also, I hope you don't mind regarding what I did with archiving all our messages we exchanged from back in 2017. I did run into a little trouble though when doing it. It turns out if I cut and paste too much from my Talk Page to an Archive in the Visual Editor, there's a good chance of the edit being glitched and not saving when I publish it, causing me to lose everything I pasted without being able to recover it if I overwrote it with another cut and paste beforehand. I've got to do the transfer only in the Source Editor to ensure that doesn't happen again. As a result, all the messages we exchanged between May and August of 2017 were lost instead of being archived. I'm really sorry about that, CosmoStar24. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 03:55, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

It’s all right if you lost it. All that matters right now is hoping Season 8 and the finale has clues of the Mane 6 and Royal Family becoming fragile of almost allowing Chrysalis to easily conquer Equestria twice and maybe the third time with Tirek for Season 9. As I just told you before, I strongly think that Cozy Glow in the finale is Queen Chrysalis in disguise to infiltrate the school and keep both the Mane 6 and Royal Family from beating her and protecting Starlight. It’s because if Cozy Glow is a real pony, I don’t think this one would be as evil as both Chrysalis and Tirek. You also know perfectly well they should put the Royal Family in danger with the Mane 6 as well during the finale despite the synopsis not mentioning it. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:12, February 21, 2018 (UTC))

I appreciate the understanding regarding my mistake with archiving our past messages, CosmoStar24, and while I am willing to support your theory with Chrysalis being Cozy Glow in the finale of Season 8, along with getting that closure we want from To Where and Back Again, I don't want to jump to any conclusions just yet until we start to see signs of what they have planned for the Season 8 finale beginning to appear in earlier episodes over the course of the season. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:48, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

I know you don’t want to jump to any conclusions until we see episodes leading into the finale, but I absolutely think that the theory I said to you involving Chrysalis being Cozy Glow with an alliance to Tirek maybe the number one answer considering Chrysalis flying away without being noticed after her clones backfired. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:51, February 22, 2018 (UTC))

Let's hope that might be the theory they go with over the course of the season after the midway point regarding Chrysalis and the clones of the Mane Six as her first scheme at revenge on Starlight. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:35, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

Let’s hope so. When I looked at the leak finale called School Raze for the synopsis, there are some things that may be based on my theory. It talks about magic failing in Equestria which may lead to Tirek that allow the Mane 6 to be trapped there. The school will be soon vulnerable for a very dangerous mastermind to have an evil plot to take over like Cozy Glow. Even though that maybe a pony name, but I strongly think that Cozy Glow was Queen Chrysalis in disguise. As I theorized, if Cozy was a real pony, I don’t think this one could be as dangerous as Tirek or Chrysalis. Chrysalis may have made an alliance with Tirek to get Equestrian magic to distract the Mane 6 while she infiltrates a defenseless school leaving only students to fight back. The reason the called this finale School Raze because the word raze means being destroyed like maybe the school is going to get destroyed during the finale. Even if all of it was true, they should really add the Royal Family into the danger zone with the Mane 6 by also being imprisoned in Tartarus. Maybe this finale can have a cliffhanger at the end that involves despite the treat being dealt with, the school maybe in shambles with the negativity and darkness on both the Mane 6 and Royal Family finally taking shape after possibly allowing Chrysalis to put the others in danger again like they did before and finally show their fragile minds at full force during the final season. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 06:23, February 24, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea and possibility, CosmoStar24, but I already told you that I'm not considering any possible outcomes as there is still a lot of time before we actually see the finale in several months. Not to mention that a lot of Bronies probably have their own theories about what will happen in the finale as well. Either way, if it does involve Lord Tirek and Chrysalis teaming up to both get their revenge, and results in the Mane Six and Royal Family being put in danger again so others like the students or all their friends and allies have to team up to deal with the villains and save them and Equestria from certain doom, I'm sure it will be a season finale worth watching the first time before deciding afterwards if it is worth watching again or not, like with A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:27, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

Again, if you two wish to continue discussing season 8 at length, I highly recommend you do so on a more suitable platform such as the Wiki Discord. Please observe the Wiki's Community Messages regarding this matter. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:43, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning, Imperfect. I hope CosmoStar24 understands as well. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:44, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

I’ve read this warning and I understand what it said. It’s just this is the only thing to use to discuss ever since seeing how To Where and Back Again ended. You know I wouldn’t have to do this if the Season 6 finale has clues that lead to my ideas about the Mane 6 and Royal Family. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:22, February 24, 2018 (UTC))

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree with CosmoStar24 regarding his complaints about To Where and Back Again. If we got some sort of clue, I would feel much better. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 21:50, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

That’s absolutely true. Other than hoping that the season finale School Raze shows clues to both the Mane 6 and Royal Family being fragile if the moment involves the school being destroyed given by the word Raze which means destroy, they should one day add more close friends and allies from past seasons so we won’t have another Suicide Squad type or misfits like To Where and Back Again. Also by title, it maybe so epic the we should not consider Cozy Glow as a pony, but Chrysalis assuming that identity since she may make more sense on being a “dangerous mastermind” with Tirek probably cause problems in Equestria by stealing magic again to lure the Mane 6 in a trap. I highly doubt a real regular Equestrian pony would act as a dangerous mastermind. No matter what that synopsis said early on for that finale, the Royal Family members who were involve with the wedding should be in the same fate with them despite being victims over and over again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 03:02, February 26, 2018 (UTC))

Everything you said sounds good, CosmoStar24, but don't forget what ImperfectXIII said about our discussions. I don't want to have to be confronted by him complaining about my Talk Page being cluttered by our replies dealing with this again and needing to deal with them with archiving them after some time. Also, one of the other users was able to salvage and recover our replies from between May and August 2017 that I deleted by accident earlier, so everything was recovered and archived. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:30, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Right, I am aware of that warning. Normally I wouldn’t have to go overboard with this, but you know what happened in To Where and Back Again. I just want my theories about Season 8 finale that leads to the final season to be true. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:55, February 27, 2018 (UTC))

I understand, just don't keep rambling about what I've already agreed with you on and support you with as we prepare to see what Season 8 has to offer in another month. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:58, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Right. Besides, the last thing I want was Chrysalis being the final villain of this series since there’s still the Pony of Shadows trapped in limbo again instead of being vanquished. You know what I had in mind involving that. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 05:20, March 1, 2018 (UTC))

I thought we didn't have to worry about the Pony of Shadows anymore since he was separated from Stygian, who was, more or less, his host. Also, I prefer someone like Lord Tirek as the final villain over Chrysalis as it is. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 05:50, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe the darkness can find a way to escape limbo to find a new host to become the ultimate evil of the series. About you hoping to see the Mane 6 and Royal Family falling to pieces of losing Equestria to Chrysalis again, forget about it. Instead, we should hope that despite finally dealing with Chrysalis and/or Tirek once and for all, the Mane 6 and Royal Family are falling to pieces with their personality traits or something are being drained inside them because of the negativity of stopping either of on their own and leaving them to cause damage depending on their locations. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:33, March 4, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea, but I'm all for anything that involves them becoming doubtful of protecting Equestria again from the likes of Chrysalis after she outsmarted them twice already as it is. Still, with everything that has occured since then with all the new allies and friends they've made and met, any chance of Chrysalis or Lord Tirek taking revenge at this point would be suicidal. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:33, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

You may have a point, but judging on how the Mane 6 are after freeing Stygian from the darkness, they may not be doubtful of protecting. I am just hoping that one day during the school season on the show, an evil force may destroy all the work the Mane 6 built right under their noses while they and the Royal Family were in danger and are in trouble again like in the Season 6 finale. Either returning foes may try something like that to complete ultimate vengeance on taking Equestria without having it being suicidal. This will be a perfect foreshadowing of the future with showing dark negative effects growing inside that causes their traits to be drained away. With most clues we saw, we don’t want another To Where and Back Again in a new season finale as we know. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:14, March 4, 2018 (UTC))

Judging from what you've just posted in your latest reply, I am inclined to agree about wanting those negative effects to show at some point and everything else. However, need I remind you of ImperfectXIII and his earlier warning about filling my Talk Page with our chatter? I don't want to have him post another message here reminding us of cluttering up my Talk Page with our exchanges and moving them somewhere else. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 19:52, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

I know that warning. It’s just I can’t help myself with the fact that it bugs me and concerning that the upcoming finale maybe another To Where and Back Again with not much past allies or any clues leading to their major negativity. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 20:12, March 4, 2018 (UTC))

I know, but if you're that concerned about it, we can keep talking about it here, but I need to probably put down some restrictions before ImperfectXIII or one of the Admins decides to take drastic measures, such as the Ban-hammer. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:54, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

Whatever feels comfortable with you, I’m okay with it. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:11, March 5, 2018 (UTC))

Thanks, appreciate the understanding, CosmoStar24. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:19, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

That was a fine premiere to open a school for all creatures. Despite Chancellor Neighsay villainous attitude, I don’t think he could be any worse than Chrysalis or Tirek. It might be interesting if he somehow crossed paths with Chrysalis in the late part of the season to devised a plan to get revenge on Starlight with the Mane 6 and Royal Family and to ruin the school they created because of allowing creatures to learn and not following the EEA policy. She may set up by getting Tirek involve since he also wants vengeance on the Mane 6 to lure them away and infiltrate the school and destroy it. We then can see why the leak finale was called School Raze. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 21:41, March 24, 2018 (UTC))

Those ideas sound pretty good, CosmoStar24, but I suggest waiting for the rest of the season to air before jumping to any conclusions. For all I know, Neighsay may have to eat his own words in the end when the non-pony students save everyone in the finale and convince him that his biased opinions and doubt in Twilight were sorely misplaced. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:34, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

You know it would be interesting if the finale has a clue in the end like the Mane 6 somehow led Tirek’s escape since they are in a hurry to save the school and went into hiding again for next season. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 02:18, March 25, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that would be interesting, but I have no idea what the writers have planned for the finale anyway, at least from what we know so far. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 03:00, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

I know it’s early in the season, but so far it is looking fine. Unfortunately for me, the only thing I’m looking forward to is seeing the season finale and see if it involves the destruction and chaos of the School of Friendship based on the leaked season finale title from earlier. It could possibly be a great cliffhanger leading into Season 9. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 04:23, April 9, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I know how you feel about that, CosmoStar24. I'm anxious for the finale as well and what will happen in it, but for now, I'm enjoying what Season 8 has to offer for the time being. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 12:34, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we still need to enjoy Season 8 right now. Still, I know the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor must still be haunted deep down by the affairs with Chrysalis since the Royal Wedding fiasco based on what we saw in A Canterlot Wedding. That’s why in hoping Season 9 would show their dark experiences with Chrysalis reawaken before things can be resolved. Hopefully the closing stages of Season 8 would give us clues to this. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:07, April 16, 2018 (UTC))

Time will tell if we get our wish regarding all this, CosmoStar24. Until then, I am enjoying what Season 8 has been offering so far in terms of the episodes we have seen during the last few weeks. If this helps set up the season-long story for Season 9, then I'm fine with that. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 12:33, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

Well so far, the dark moments in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again hasn’t started taking a toll on their hearts or morals on the Mane 6 and Royal Family who were first involved with the wedding crisis, especially after seeing The Mean 6. It’s just been a while since we watched the Season 6 finale, and the way it ended, this whole thing makes no sense. We know perfectly well that what happened in A Canterlot Wedding should did something to Twilight, the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor inside after that incident and the moment in To Where and Back Again. Now that we heard Chrysalis is returning in the second half of Season 8, I like to see her new attempt cause the major victims at that wedding to finally lose their “colors” and traits as the dark events back then starts to kick in. If not, then hopefully Tirek’s return during the finale or some event may cause them to finally lose themselves which leads into the start of Season 9. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:04, July 10, 2018 (UTC))

I hope so, CosmoStar24. After her plan with the Mean Six backfired, she does know where the Elements are now and could try to take them later to aid Lord Tirek with his escape from Tartarus. If that happens, the Student Six can always summon their races to aid with fighting Tirek and Chrysalis off until the Mane Six get out of Tartarus and can confront the villains and send both of them back to Tartarus where they belong for all the grief and harm they've caused to the Mane Six, Royal Family, and Equestria throughout the series. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:09, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe the San Diego Comic Convention would provide clues to the finale called School Raze and see what it means. My hope is that it features while being trapped in Tartarus and trying to escape, the Mane 6 unknowingly allow Tirek to escape again which will lead to Season 9. If so, then maybe it will trigger something within both the Mane 6 and Royal Family who were involved with the wedding fiasco. I want to see how broken they were on not just what happened in Seasons 2 and 6, but also being so blind that Chrysalis is plotting something big and dark despite her copies idea backfired and the Mane 6 still laughing. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 17:22, July 17, 2018 (UTC))

That does sound like a good idea to lead into Season 9, but don't get your hopes up on that theory. I'm thinking that maybe Tirek will actually provide some cryptic clues to the Mane Six as a means for them to outsmart Chrysalis and finally bring her to justice, while also seeing how futile his attempts at taking the magic of the ponies was and be convinced to make peace with them and return home to apologize to Scorpan for his twisted beliefs and make amends with his brother. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 20:09, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

That sounds interesting and good thought, but my theories makes a lot more sense to me to stay connected to Season 2 and 6 finales. Besides, the comic convention could provide clues to the finale to see which one our theories are correct. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 02:59, July 19, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that is a good point. We'll have to see what happens at San Diego Comic Con to see what the Season 8 finale regarding Cozy Glow, the School, and Tartarus has to offer to set things up for Season 9. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 03:09, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

I saw the teaser for the second half of Season 8 on YouTube courtesy of the San Diego Comic Convention. They showed clips including teaser for the season finale which may involve Neighsay having a dark plan with Cozy Glow as his agent to destroy Twilight’s School of Friendship forever. So far, there’s no sign of Chrysalis in the finale or somewhere before that. Now hopefully the Season 8 finale has ends with an epic cliffhanger and that it leads to Season 9 with possible negative effects on the Mane 6 and Royal Family. I like for the victims of that wedding start to feel broken inside like Buster Moon from Sing when he lost his dreams after the theater got destroyed. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 04:43, July 22, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds interesting. Either way, I'm sure that whatever Neighsay and Cozy Glow have planned to shut down Twilight's school for good results in them having to deal with Lord Tirek in the process, forcing Neighsay to have a major Heel Realization at how stupid he's been acting lately with letting his bigotry and racism against the other races cloud his judgement, and is forced to make amends with the Mane Six, especially Twilight, and possibly resign from his position as Chancellor of the EEA in shame and disgrace. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:21, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

I know it early while Season 8 is almost done, but if the rumors are true that both Grogar appears and King Sombra returning in possibly the Season 9 premiere, then I want to see how either of these villains break the Mane 6 and Royal Family of their spirits or morals or something by opening up old wounds from those dark times in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. As I told you from the start, ever since watching To Where and Back Again, I can think about wanting only one thing, and that’s showing how Twilight, her friends, and royalty got worse after being under Chrysalis’ clutches again just at that wedding. Well so far in Season 8 it involves the School of Friendship, and it seems very doubtful that either of these episodes this season can have villains like Chrysalis use some spell or anything to make the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor lose their colors or make them fall into a state of depression for a while, not even Chrysalis’ plot with clones in Mean 6 was good enough. That’s why I want Season 9 to have something like that like during the premiere since that season maybe our last chance to see that moment become real, otherwise I have no idea what they were thinking making a finale like To Where and Back Again and that watching it was a big mistake for me. Well maybe Grogar or Sombra could give Chrysalis and/or Tirek advice on how to deal with them to get to Starlight like maybe use power dark magic or spell on the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor to be like under mind control or mutate them into possible evil Changelings back during her reign as queen to help do the dirty work leaving the Pillars, Starlight, Trixie, Thorax, Discord, Flurry Heart, and Luna as prisoners being helpless to save them without magic after losing it to Tirek. It’s because they must’ve heard a lot on the Mane 6 up to the point where they defeated the Storm King in the movie, so that’s why they need to make them with Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor, the ones who were hit hard in A Canterlot Wedding as brainwashed minions to help make their plans go smother. Once that happens, friends and allies from across Equestria the Mane 6 encountered can finally step up and return the favor by helping them even throwing a party to cheer them up. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:17, September 10, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds good to me, CosmoStar24, but do remember, we still have one more villain who could aid all these other villains in finally breaking the morale and spirits of the Mane Six and Royal Family and put them in a state of being unable to defend Equestria because of the trauma and guilt they have to come to terms with before they can regroup and take the villains down once and for all. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:30, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Right, I think you possibly mean the filly Cozy Glow. Word on the street is that she’s a master manipulator and quite possibly the most dangerous antagonist yet, even much dangerous than Chrysalis, Tirek, and maybe even the Storm King once you see her in action. If so, then I’m wondering if she’s learning all the major flaws and dark moments of the Mane 6 and Royal Family while studying at the School of Friendship. She could’ve convinced Grogar or any other villains to set up a trap for the Mane 6 and Royal Family where they not only lost their magic by Tirek again, but also have Grogar, Sombra, or Chrysalis cast a spell on the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor to make them evil ponies or evil Changelings while under the reign of Chrysalis, and leave Luna and Flurry Heart as bait for Starlight and her Suicide Squad from To Where and Back Again to fall into a trap and get captured to have Twilight and her friends doing the dirty work. If that’s too much, then maybe use to give the ponies involved and hit hard in A Canterlot Wedding nightmares that it might be too powerful for Luna to stop. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 21:58, September 10, 2018 (UTC))

All that sounds like great ideas to use in Season 9, CosmoStar24, but we won't know for sure until once Season 8 finishes in the USA and we see what happens, or learn of what is going to happen, in the Season 9 premiere next year. Until then, the best we can do is continue to talk and speculate about it until those ideas are made the real deal by the writers. Still, you do make a lot of valid arguments because of what happened back in the Season 6 finale and want some closure to that before the series ends. I would like the same thing as well. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:47, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. You know that was never my fault to begin with back after To Where and Back Again aired. It’s just I don’t know what they are thinking coming up with a finale like that especially those dark moments in A Canterlot Wedding. Watching To Where and Back Again was a huge mistake so far unless we see Chrysalis or some villain cast a spell on those who were hit most in a crisis back in A Canterlot Wedding like The Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor to make them into mind controlled mutated evil Changelings back before Season 6 finale and/or give them major nightmares of those incidents that it was too much for Luna to stop. That should really make them unable to continue their duties despite having Thorax and the Changelings as allies to the point of the Mane 6 defeating the Storm King. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:23, September 11, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, you make a good point, and I have my own ideas regarding how things regarding To Where and Back Again should be brought to full closure before the series ends, and hope that those ideas are implemented by the writers in Season 9, but until that time comes, there's not much we can do except speculate on it for the time being, stick to our ideas on how things should be handled, and hope for the best. That's the best I can do right now. I hope you're able to do the same, despite how upset we both are with the events of To Where and Back Again as it is, CosmoStar24. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:30, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

Especially with the fact that hopefully the next epic battle is like the one we saw in the movie on how to take back Canterlot from the Storm King, but this time we have allies of both ponies and creatures helping the Mane 6 and Royal Family when ever they are captured or unable to save Equestria during that point. Let’s not forget the song “Rainbow” by Sia who’s playing Songbird Serenade in the movie. We saw it shows them celebrating Twilight and her friends’ victory, so I was thinking that friends and allies they’ve met up to Season 8 might one day return the favor by throwing and creating a party on their own to honor the the Mane 6 and Royal Family for keeping Equestria safe as possible especially from that evil king in the movie. Just trying to show that ponies and creatures together can help and create a party without and guidance of the Mane 6. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:00, September 12, 2018 (UTC))

That sounds like a very good idea, CosmoStar24. However, one has to consider whether or not the writers would think about doing that in the next season, since as far as we know, Season 8 will end possibly on a cliffhanger, paving the way for Season 9. If things don't change with both your ideas and mine being implemented in that season to help bring some sort of closure to the events of To Where and Back Again, I'm not sure what might will. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:07, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

Right, I see. I also heard that Season 8 will be adding like a first real major cliffhanger at the end of Season 8 which will possibly lead to the Season 9 premiere like a season ending “to be continued” thing. Plus, I also have no idea what will satisfy us on To Where and Back Again if they don’t use our ideas for a closure in Season 9. About those things in the movie with a battle and party, I still think they should consider those ideas, but in tv series style. It’s like once those dark moments from A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again are starting to return and open old scars causing the Mane 6 and Royal Family who were hit hard in both events start to become fragile like human Twilight Sparkle in Legend of Everfree, friendship and allies of both ponies and creatures came up with a plan to throw a party for them by creating it on their own without the Mane 6’s guidance. As they celebrate and enjoy themselves, there’s a song like “Rainbow” from the movie to help ignite the spirits of their heroes during the festivities. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:55, September 12, 2018 (UTC))

Regarding the ideas from the movie, I'm all for that, CosmoStar24, but it all depends on if the writers have thought of that with the episodes they brewed up for Season 9 as it is. However, if the Student Six, their guardians, and the other ponies decide to do that to help restore the morale of the Mane Six and Royal Family and help them overcome that trauma and nightmares that resulted from Chrysalis trying to take over Equestria twice and nearly succeeding both times, that would be a good way to maybe work into the Season 9 finale, if not a season-long theme. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:37, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

I’m in for seeing the Mane 6 and Royal Family losing their morale in the Season 9 finale, but I sometimes rather see it in the season premiere or somewhere before the finale. Like maybe it would involve any past foe like Chrysalis or someone else using a spell to erase the positive side after avoiding the crisis and maybe even making the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor evil since they suffered more since that wedding. Besides I don’t know what the producers may find satisfying enough to bring closure to To Where and Back Again if they can’t use our ideas we’ve been speculating. The ideas I wrote make more sense since I know what I saw dark moments in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again like Twilight being rejected, Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor all possibly seeing Canterlot in great peril while taking beatings, and being captured so easily without putting up much of a fight while leaving Equestria vulnerable. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 13:50, September 14, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I know how you still feel about all this after how it has been at least two years since To Where and Back Again aired, and I'm sure a few other Bronies still share the same disappointment that you and I share regarding that finale. Still, if the writers haven't thought of a good idea to deal with that, which the producers are willing to work with, the only thing left to do is to speculate on it until they deal with that issue, which you and me are still doing right now, CosmoStar24. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:00, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Right. This is pretty much about seeing the pure good characters like the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor becoming fragile inside because of those painful dark moments in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. Maybe somewhere in Season 9 where Chrysalis or some villain used a spell on those characters by turning them into unreformed evil Changelings from the past or something, but despite being turned back in the end, there’s also a side effect to that spell that causes the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor to lose their morale and not think on the positive side of things after a crisis has passed including past events as well. Characters like Starlight and Luna are never included because they’ been through enough of their past especially the crisis involving the Storm King. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:34, September 15, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It's a good idea, but I have no idea if it will be considered or had been thought of yet with the writers and producers for the show. Either way, even if, somehow, the Mane Six and Royal Family have been shaken by what happened with Chrysalis and are reconsidering if they can defend Equestria anymore with how things have been changing with others saving Equestria in recent times, as long as they can be helped and showed how Equestria still needs them, that will help rebuild their morale, overcome their nightmares with Chrysalis, and be ready for her when she returns again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:01, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

I know it depends on the producers, but all I can think is one thing as you know, to see the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor become fragile ever since watching A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. You it doesn’t have to be Chrysalis who comes up with that dark scheme to make this possible, she may have help from a villain worse than her who knows a spell or a diabolical plan to help break the spirits of the pure heart heroes with Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:53, September 15, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, you do make a good point there. It could be someone like Lord Tirek that could pull it off. Still, no need to keep bringing it up since I'll always know that's what you wanna talk about, CosmoStar24. Also, I should mention how I don't want Imperfect getting on my case again regarding our conversation filling up my Talk Page like this. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 21:57, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

Right, sorry. We know how we want to see the pure hearted heroes of the Mane 6 and Royal Family start to become fragile for two years. If Imperfect messaged us again, just don’t blame me for this. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:16, September 16, 2018 (UTC))

It's no problem. I understand you're still upset about what happened in To Where and Back Again and want some sort of closure to it before the series ends. I do as well. Also, if Imperfect does get on my case about this, I take full responsibility since it is my Talk Page. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 11:18, September 16, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. One small thing I was meant to tell you that despite the movie being great, I’m just having trouble watching it completely because of the fact moments from To Where and Back Again keeps getting in the way for me if you know what I’m talking about. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:10, September 16, 2018 (UTC))

Is it because of how easily Tempest was able to take down Celestia, Luna, and Cadence, despite Cadence at least making an effort to defend herself before all three of them were encased in obsidian? equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:57, September 17, 2018 (UTC)

Well I don’t mind seeing Celestia, Luna, and Cadance being in danger or taken down like in Twilight’s Kingdom, we already discussed on how seasons 2 and 6 can cause the Mane 6 and Royal Family to be fragile from both finale events, it’s actually on how friends and allies in Equestria didn’t get a chance to step up to help the Mane 6 and Royal Family like they never did in To Where and Back Again before the movie took place. I really like to see the Mane 6 save Equestria from the Storm King in that movie, but as long as I saw what happened in To Where and Back Again it’s pretty difficult for me to watch the movie when it comes to ponies and non-ponies from past seasons help their heroes unlike just the Suicide Squad in that finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:18, September 17, 2018 (UTC))

I understand all that, CosmoStar24, though remember that Skystar, Captain Celaeno and her crew, and Capper, all helped them stop the Storm King and save Canterlot, the Princesses, Songbird, and everyone else. If only they could have done that in To Where and Back Again aside from the Suicide Squad of Starlight, Thorax, Trixie, and Discord, like having Rutherford and Ember help out with their forces, that might have worked out a lot better and made both you and me feel much better about how the finale went. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:28, September 17, 2018 (UTC)

I know that Skystar, the pirates, and Capper all helped defeat the Storm King in the movie, I was just hoping how pony allies from past seasons would return the favor after the Mane 6 helped them all the time. Speaking of To Where and Back Again, they definitely need allies to help the Suicide Squad like Ember, Gilda, and maybe even Maud. Overall it’s about seeing how ponies the Mane 6 met and became closer step up in battle or in parties without their guidance. That’s why I’m hoping for that in Season 9 other than the Mane 6 and Royal Family starting to become fragile because of A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:57, September 17, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like a good idea to me. Still, I do wonder how Season 9 will start depending on how things go in the Season 8 finale. I'm certain that whatever happens there will leave a cliffhanger to lead into Season 9, and maybe make your ideas a reality if the writers considered it when writing the Season 9 episodes as it is. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 02:09, September 17, 2018 (UTC)

If only To Where and Back Again features a battle like Chrysalis and evil Changelings vs. everypony where the Mane 6’s friends and allies heard they were captured by Chrysalis and came to help the Suicide Squad like the series finale of Samurai Jack where Jack’s allies come to his rescue and battle Aku, that may satisfy me. The same thing could’ve happened in the movie where the ponies are freed with maybe some help from humans from Equestria Girls who heard their pony friend is in trouble and Twilight’s friends and allies of both ponies and humans join in the battle to beat the Storm King. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:23, September 20, 2018 (UTC))

All your ideas sounds like great ideas that could have been used in To Where and Back Again, CosmoStar24. I am ashamed that they were not actually used, but maybe they can be implemented during Season 9 to deal with whoever the villain is there for that season finale, especially considering all the new allies the ponies can have to help them, like the Kirin. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 12:31, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

It was very ashamed indeed, and such a major waste of opportunity in both Season 6 finale and the movie despite that the movie characters helped the Mane 6 defeat the Storm King. Now hopefully the same dark attempt from A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again where the Mane 6 and Royal Family were involved mostly since the attack on Canterlot, and the movie were used again, but much worse than before during the Season 9 premiere, finale, or somewhere in between by Chrysalis again, but with a new foe who can help make sure that dark plan never backfired at a very bad time. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 17:13, September 20, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, sounds good to me with what you said, CosmoStar24. However, would you like to postpone further discussion on this for a while? I enjoy discussing our disappointment with To Where and Back Again very much, but I don't want to eat up too much of my Talk Page with it, especially if I have to archive everything again when there is a glitch with saving my edits when I answer your replies. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 17:37, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

All right. I can wait until the finale airs on Discovery Family in America, but I’m glad you agree with the previous comment. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:27, September 20, 2018 (UTC))

Hey, no problem. Glad to help. Also, let's see what the Season 8 finale has in store for us anyway since it has been mentioned that Lord Tirek would be making a return in that finale. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 21:49, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Well I’ve been watching parts of A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again once more, but I’m trying to avoid most of the dark moments like Twilight being yelled by Shining Armor and being rejected by everypony and seeing the Mane 6 and Royal Family being trapped in cocoons without warning for who knows how long because Chrysalis almost succeeded easily twice. Whatever might happen in the Season 8 finale, has made me watch those finales again. I’m still expecting painful scars from Chrysalis’ attempts to resurface like in Season 9 since this is our last chance to see the ideas of the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor’s morales are weaken making them fragile before I can watch those dark moments in these finales again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:16, September 28, 2018 (UTC))

Thanks for letting me know about that, CosmoStar24. I'm glad to see you've managed to, somewhat, find the courage to watch those finales again while we wait on the Season 8 finale next month. For all I know right now, the Season 8 finale will see the return of Lord Tirek, whom we have not seen since he was imprisoned back in Tartarus again in the Season 4 finale. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:21, September 28, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I’m not worried about Season 8 finale, it’s just that I’m hoping that Season 9 involves seeing the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor starting to open up painful moments in A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again that they start to become fragile or being under the control of Chrysalis or a new foe she’s working for who is taking advantage of those events and make them evil by awakening the darkness within them since those painful moments may still be stuck inside their hearts to possibly ruin their reputations including their morales. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:35, September 28, 2018 (UTC))

I know. I share the same sentiments about wanting to get that closure we've been wanting to see since the Season 6 finale, and we still haven't gotten it yet. Season 9 had better grant us what we want before the series ends, or we'll have to think it up ourselves in fan fiction stories. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:37, September 28, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but hopefully not to make fan fiction stories based on ideas. We prefer to see our ideas I’ve been speculating be on TV so we can see what it looks like. One tiny thing is that I often watched A Canterlot Wedding more than To Where and Back Again due to the unsettlement with that Season 6 finale despite me watching it again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:59, September 28, 2018 (UTC))

I have no problem with that. That is of your own decision regarding watching one finale more over the other. Still, better to see our ideas implemented in the show rather than through fan-made stories. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:12, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. That’s why we hope that Season 9 is the one since this is our chance to have our ideas real and to finally see the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor start to become fragile because of those dark events involving Chrysalis almost succeeding easily since Season 9 maybe the final season. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:22, September 29, 2018 (UTC))

Agreed. Is that all you wanted to discuss for now, CosmoStar24? I'm starting to get worried about Imperfect getting on my back again about us using up my Talk Page for our discussions. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:24, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I’m good now. Just wait until Season 8 is finally over. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:27, September 29, 2018 (UTC))

Alright, thanks. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:31, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Well that’s was Season 8. We finally saw a real major cliffhanger that could possibly lead into the Season 9 premiere. We finally saw Tirek make his long waited return and we know he was too weak to steal magic again and has no possible way to escape Tartarus once more. Can you believe Cozy Glow was possibly more clever and dangerous than Chrysalis because of her using friendship as a weapon to rule Equestria? She is quite possibly the first ever villain to smile evilly at the final few seconds of the season and possibly have a different way of “to be continued”. After seeing that finale, it made me feel that Cozy Glow could’ve targeted the most powerful ponies in Equestria like Chrysalis did in To Where and Back Again to make sure no one would contact them with or without magic. Or maybe take advantage of dark events of A Canterlot Wedding, To Where and Back Again, and maybe even the movie by diminishing the courage of the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor. Cozy could’ve also become pen pals with Chrysalis too like to help her break out and become friends to achieve revenge whether Chrysalis likes it or not. Now hopefully the Season 9 premiere involves her return with a plot to weaken the Mane 6 and Royal Family morally and that friends and allies from across Equestria could step up and help. It could be a fine way to make up for the Season 6 finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 19:32, October 13, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that's a lot of good ideas that could be worked into Cozy Glow for Season 9, CosmoStar24. As for Lord Tirek, it is good that Cerberus is keeping a much closer eye on him and is not going to make the same mistake as before and let that dangerous centaur get out of Tartarus again. When the Mane Six asked about Tirek, Cerberus led them right to him and remained on vigilant guard for any trouble. He also willingly gave up the magic that allowed him to maintain his three-headed appearance to allow Twilight to open the Gates so the Mane Six could get out alongside the other animals that were incarcerated there, including the bugbear, chimera, cockatrice, and the manticore. If Cozy could be that underhanded and manipulative, just think what would happen if she did join forces with Chrysalis and Lord Tirek to help them both get revenge on those that wronged them...That would be very catastrophic. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 20:21, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of Chrysalis, Cozy Glow should’ve become a mysterious figure in To Where and Back Again who secretly gave Chrysalis a few advice from the shadows on dealing with the Mane 6, Royal Family, and Starlight Glimmer. Like maybe be able to use the same spell she did to Shining Armor in A Canterlot Wedding so just in case they break free from cocoons and got their magic back, they would be under Chrysalis’ control to cause major damage to their land and attack Starlight and her Suicide Squad, but it never happened. Cozy Glow should’ve used the same devious plan as Chrysalis from Season 6 by targeting the most powerful ponies in Equestria by not just imprisoning them, but case dark magic on them with side effects that could cause them to have fragile morals and making them unable to rule or protect Equestria. Leave Luna and Flurry Heart out of this since Luna has been through enough dark times and Flurry was just a baby, they could be used as bait for Starlight and her team so she or Chrysalis could have brainwashed heroes finish the job. That could be something Cozy may come up with since she studied at the School of Friendship for a while and she may learned from past incidents including A Canterlot Wedding, To Where and Back Again, even the movie. She may use those to her advice to help Chrysalis get her revenge by making friends with her whether Chrysalis likes it or not. That might explain her sinister smile at the end. Besides, she’s too smart to just create a monstrous army to conquer Equestria by force since it’s too obvious and reckless. Using the Memory Stone is out since it was destroyed, so Cozy may find some way to pull that off once she escapes Tartarus. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:40, October 20, 2018 (UTC))

All very good ideas that could have been implemented, CosmoStar24. However, there's always a chance for Cozy to consider them in the next season if she manages to find some way to escape from Tartarus with Tirek and team up with Chrysalis to help the two villains get their revenge.

However, please keep your thoughts and ideas to more simple paragraphs. I don't want such a larger amount of info eating up my Talk Page, otherwise, I'll have to transfer it to my Archives before it causes the page to glitch and wipe everything by mistake. Sixteen lines worth of chatter seems to be going a little overboard, and I don't want Imperfect getting on my case about this again. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:52, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that and for not putting them in paragraphs. Anyway, the ideas I’ve been speculating is something Cozy is planning if she escapes Tartarus. She did learn past crisis and dark moments involving Chrysalis at the School of Friendship and could use them to her advantage. The best way to conquer Equestria her way is to weaken the Mane 6, Spike, and Royal Family of Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor morally rendering too fragile and maybe vulnerable to a dark spell and be under mind control or something. After all, she did have the students turn against Neighsay and disgraced him, so she may do something on them. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 06:22, October 20, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I would not put it past Cozy to plan something like that to weaken the main defenses of Equestria so they wouldn't be able to stop her next plan. With how manipulative Cozy can be, she could easily outsmart the Mane Six and Royal Family next time before they knew what was going on and stop her. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:06, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. Both the Mane 6 and Royal Family May realized too late that they may have ultimately underestimated Cozy Glow despite her being in Tartarus with no way to escape right now especially since Tirek is too weak to steal magic again. I think may have made the most devastating mistake yet by sending her to Tartarus. Cozy of course was just waiting patiently.

If she escapes, she may possibly recruit Chrysalis and come up with a dark plan to have the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor become fragile morally and rendering them unable to continue governing or defend Equestria. She might use prisoners Luna and Flurry Heart for bait to lure Starlight Glimmer and her Suicide Squad to a trap if Cozy heard about Trixie, Thorax, and Discord teaming with Starlight in To Where and Back Again, so she wants to make sure it may not happen again to make sure no pony would intervene with Chrysalis’ revenge. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:27, October 21, 2018 (UTC))

That sounds like a very good plan should Cozy escape and ally with Chrysalis. Still, the Mean Six did show that Chrysalis was starting to show signs of insanity after losing her hive, swarm, and everything else but her life because of Starlight. Even if Cozy teams up with her, what are the odds Chrysalis would not be sane enough to cooperate and could suddenly go AWOL on Cozy? If that happens, Cozy's plan would fail, and she would have to have thought up a backup plan, just in case. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:42, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

That’s true, but Cozy Glow may have Tirek with her if they escape together and whether or not he may betray her in the end. Besides, Chrysalis may have no choice but to become Cozy’s friend whether she likes it or not if she wants to take her revenge seriously sanity or no sanity. With Cozy Glow, they really might underestimate her after how she smiled at the end of Season 8. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:52, October 21, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Cozy could end up being double-crossed by Tirek, and Chrysalis may be so desperate for her revenge, she would have to become Cozy's friend in order to attain it. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 22:57, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

About Cozy being double-crossed by Tirek, because Cozy was like a master manipulator and so clever, she may find a way to convince Tirek to try and not betray her at a very bad time like with Discord or he’ll just meet the same fate as Twilight’s Kingdom all over again. Chrysalis will soon have no choice but to become one of Cozy’s new friends whether she likes it or not since she may know how to fulfill her revenge on both finales or just have failures like Mean 6. They could try and form the Axis.

The first thing overall is to target the most powerful ponies in Equestria like Chrysalis did in To Where and Back Again, but this time leave Luna and Flurry Heart as bait for Starlight and her Suicide Squad as a trap while the rest of that powerful group are under a spell or something. That way the Young 6 can only turn to friends and allies of the Mane 6 from the past to fend for themselves. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:13, October 24, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, being the chessmaster she is, Cozy would have some sort of blackmail or bribe to keep Tirek from double-crossing her like he did Discord, and Chrysalis would have no other option with her sanity slipping but to agree to befriend Cozy and help her if she wants her revenge and reclaim her position as Changeling Queen from Thorax, Pharynx, and her former Swarm.

As for Cozy's plan, it would work pretty well, but once the Student Six tell their leaders that the Royal Family and Mane Six need their help, Cozy, Tirek, and Chrysalis will have a lot of new enemies to deal with in the yaks, dragons, griffons, the reformed Changeling Swarm, and Queen Novo and the Hippogriffs. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 17:43, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

Don’t forget Thorax was part of the Suicide Squad in To Where and Back Again, so he might be caught in the trap too with Starlight, Trixie, and Discord who might be turned to stone again. That way Chrysalis can possibly reclaim her hive by force if the most powerful ponies in Equestria are under her mind control or something. Also, hopefully that idea I said is something Cozy Glow is planning while in Tartarus and it becomes real in premiere or finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 21:53, October 24, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I almost forgot about that. Dealing with the "traitor" would be a good first step for Chrysalis to get her revenge on everyone who wronged her. Plus, who knows what Cozy is planning now that's she's in Tartarus with Tirek, which appears to have been her intent all along. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:15, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

I certainly hope it’s not building an army from Tartarus, because it’s too obvious, the creatures in there supported the Mane 6 and helped them escape, and that idea is a bit too reckless for her.

Cozy has been studying at the School of Friendship for sometime and knows how to blackmail and/or bribe most dangerous villains to become her friend. She knows that once Tirek double-crossed Discord in Twilight’s Kingdom, Discord gave Twilight the final key to open the chest and used Rainbow Power to defeat Tirek and banished him to Tartarus again. With a chessmaster, she’ll make sure it will never happen again. And Cozy needs to discuss Chrysalis about her kidnapping plot on the Mane 6 and Royal Family back in To Where and Back Again, so she may try that kind of plot again, but more devious and tactical without the swarm than last time. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 13:32, October 27, 2018 (UTC))

All that makes perfect sense for a filly like Cozy to implement using her chessmaster smarts to outwit the Mane Six and Royal Family like she had done through Season 8 with outwitting the Crusaders, the Mane Six, and even the Student Six with her innocent act as part of her grand scheme to help Tirek get revenge on the Mane Six for his previous defeat. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:34, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

That’s all the more reason why she should’ve set up Chancellor Neighsay by using all the events involving him including the finale so he would be fired and she would become chancellor to further her schemes easily without any suspicions. Well either way, the Mane 6 and Royal Family may have made the most darkest and most devastating mistake yet by sending Cozy Glow to Tartarus without thinking of the possible consequences. They may realize too late that they’ve ultimately underestimated her. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:04, October 27, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that is true. Even if her plan to drain Equestria of magic failed at the last second thanks to the Tree of Harmony stepping in and saving the Student Six and Starlight, along with the magic, so the students could break the spell and free the magic, she could have always planned ahead for if that did happen and she was locked up in Tartarus for committing high treason against her own kind. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:07, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, and don’t forget the part I’ve mentioned about them making a devastating mistake on sending Cozy to without thinking of the possible consequences along with the possibility of them too late to realize that they may have ultimately underestimated Cozy Glow. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:25, October 27, 2018 (UTC))

I have not forgotten about that, CosmoStar24. However, I appreciate the reminder. Thanks. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 19:36, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

But even with the Tree of Harmony stepping in to save the Young 6, Starlight, and Equestrian magic from being lost forever to have the students defeat her without planning ahead for a chessmaster, she still may keep her reputation as a chessmaster despite being trapped in Tartarus with no way out that time since we already know her evil grin. She may still may find a way to become the ruler of Equestria as the Empress of Friendship easily involving using Chrysalis’ last plan before her downfall and to those who ruined it like I’ve mentioned. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:11, October 29, 2018 (UTC))

True, but until we see what Season 9 has in store for us through previews that show up before the season's debut, there's little we can go on regarding what Cozy has planned next after being locked up next to Lord Tirek in Tartarus with Cerberus watching over both of them. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 04:04, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

I know, but still I’m hoping Cozy uses the same plan Chrysalis used in To Where and Back Again by targeting the most powerful ponies in Equestria, but instead of replacing them with Changelings, make them evil or something no one would suspect and kidnapped the Suicide Squad to weaken Hope. Just wanted to see how the citizens of Equestria fend for themselves something that should’ve happened earlier. Well we know the Mane 6 and Royal Family are unaware of Chrysalis’ presence like in Mean 6, so it’s possible for Cozy to try once she escapes Tartarus with Tirek one day and try to convince Chrysalis to be her friend. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 02:06, October 31, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that would sound like something that Cozy would try to pull off as a means to attain her victory through clever manipulation and chess moves. Leaving Equestria to have to fend for themselves, or even seek support from the other races would be the best option to try and beat her since she wouldn't consider in her next plan having the other races come to assist when Equestria needs help. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 03:59, October 31, 2018 (UTC)

I just want to see how pony allies from across Equestria fend for themselves since we never got a chance in To Where and Back Again or the fact that after they were enslaved by the Storm King in the movie.

Cozy Glow knows perfectly well that the Mane 6 and Royal Family are the main threat, especially the Pillars. She needs to deal with them before targeting the Suicide Squad. That’s all the more reason why she must make Chrysalis her friend once she escapes and find the most clever plan to kidnap them and maybe cast a spell without a swarm. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 07:46, October 31, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I understand your concerns about that, CosmoStar24. Let's hope the writers have considered dealing with that issue at some point before the series ends so you can get some closure and feel better about everything.

The same goes for everything with Starlight and her Suicide Squad, the Mane Six, the Royal Family, and all their allies when dealing with Cozy, Chrysalis, and Lord Tirek. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:11, October 31, 2018 (UTC)

You see two years ago, I’ve been speculating on how I want closure to To Where and Back Again after what we saw on how the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor were under Chrysalis’ grasp again like in A Canterlot Wedding by being trapped in cocoons for who knows how long. I was expecting to see them start to become fragile or can’t be their old selves like during the start of Season 7, but there are other events that occurred.

Once we saw Chrysalis again in Mean 6, we can see she’s starting to lose most of her sanity so it might be impossible for her to target the most powerful ponies in Equestria again since she doesn’t have her swarm anymore and her evil clones were a bust. It also appears she’s targeting only Starlight Glimmer that caused her downfall instead of continuing her revenge from that wedding since the Mane 6 and Royal Family are still a threat.

Not long we meet Cozy Glow. She soon turned out to be an evil genius who is more clever and dangerous than Chrysalis due to her using her friendly personality to control ponies and is a chessmaster who layed out her plans perfectly until the Tree of Harmony stepped in. Even though she’s locked up in Tartarus, she still has something up her sleeve while trying to become friends with Tirek. It made believe she still may have something to conquer Equestria without using an army like aiming the Mane 6 and Royal Family like Chrysalis did. That’s why I want Season 9 premiere or finale involve Cozy escaping Tartarus with Tirek and try to convince Chrysalis to be her friend since she may know how to deal with the Mane 6 and Royal Family before getting to Starlight like turning them evil so she could try and trap the Suicide Squad with Luna and Flurry Heart, who weren’t under that spell, as bait. We may know sooner or later Chrysalis may have no choice but to become Cozy’s friend and follow her clever plans. It is also possible Cozy can break the spirits of the Mane 6 and Royal Family by taking advantage of the Season 2 and 6 finale. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 13:59, November 3, 2018 (UTC))

After reading over what you had to say, CosmoStar24, I have to say I'm impressed with what you've been thinking of since what happened in To Where and Back Again and feeling disgruntled by the final outcome, then taking the events of School Raze and The Mean Six into consideration with what you want to happen.

If Cozy can bust herself and Tirek out of Tartarus, get Chrysalis to join them, and scheme a plan that would finally leave the Mane Six and Royal Family broken inside with how close they lost Equestria to Chrysalis previously, their demoralized state would leave them easy prey for Cozy and the others, and allow Chrysalis and Tirek to both get revenge on them for their previous defeats, along with Chrysalis getting her revenge on Starlight as well.

Sounds like a pretty good idea for Season 9. Let's hope the writers considered that themselves at some point when they were developing Season 9 anyway. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:55, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

To me this has to become real considering that Cozy was more into calculating her plans carefully and weaken the Equestrian defenses. Season 9 may very well be our last chance to see the dark side effects from To Where and Back Again on the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor that caused them to be broken and demoralized especially after experiencing the Royal Wedding Crisis in A Canterlot Wedding. Hopefully they leave Luna and Flurry Heart not demoralized since Luna wasn’t involved with the fiasco until appearing at the reception and being the only captive conscious while in a cocoon, and Flurry is only a baby.

It maybe difficult to demoralized them and make things easy, but Cozy Glow knows what she’s doing since she’s been studying at the School of Friendship and learned on different events involving Chrysalis. I don’t mind if Cozy made Chrysalis her friend in secret after Mean 6. That way Chrysalis may come to Tartarus and break both her and Tirek out. But if Grogar appears as rumored, hope to save him for the series finale since that cliffhanger we saw involving Cozy may lead to the Season 9 premiere. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 23:48, November 3, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I see your point there. If Cozy succeeds, Equestria could be in real trouble with the Mane Six and Royal Family out of action thanks to the villains teaming up to break their morale and spirits with reminding them of how close they lost Equestria on several occasions, with Chrysalis and her two attempts really leaving a dark mark on their minds.

That's when the Student Six would have to call in their own people to help out with protecting Equestria and helping the Mane Six and Royal Family overcome their fears and fight back to protect their homeland. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 00:11, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

If we know Cozy after what she has done during Season 8, I bet she’ll think of something to demoralize the Mane 6, Spike, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor with or without magic. Especially since we’ve already seen Luna and Starlight go through that already. After all we saw how Darth Sidious manipulated Anakin to become evil after being unstable. Who knows? Maybe Cozy could be like Zaheer from The Legend of Korra by doing something dark to the heroes so they can’t fight anyone something Chrysalis should’ve done after To Where and Back Again as a backup plan. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:08, November 5, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like something Cozy would pull with that chessmaster mind of hers. Also, nice reference to Star Wars with the comparison. Same for with The Legend of Korra as well. Compared to Tirek or Chrysalis, Cozy could think of something instead to break the morale of the Mane Six and Royal Family herself. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:14, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

Like what? Use a spell by Chrysalis to make them evil after Tirek steals magic from them? I still think she should try to demoralize them so she could easily take control of Equestria and rule as the Empress of Friendship. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:30, November 5, 2018 (UTC))

Your suggestion sounds like a better idea compared to anything Tirek or Chrysalis could come up with. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:58, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

Well I’m thankful you’ve agreed with the suggestion I just said. It would be like Cozy can set up a trap for the Mane 6 and Royal Family so Tirek can steal all their magic. That way she can have Chrysalis cast a spell on them, but leave Luna and Flurry Heart alone so they can be used as bait for Starlight and her Suicide Squad made up of Trixie, Thorax, and Discord from To Where and Back Again. We can’t forget the Pillars, so Cozy might have Tirek steal their magic and banish them to Tartarus with Cerberus under Chrysalis’ control watching them.

This will only leave the Young 6 and the Cutie Mark Crusaders to roundup pony friends and allies from across Equestria to fend for themselves with the support of non-ponies. If you see the final episode of Samurai Jack, his friends and allies rose up to save him and fight Aku. It may happen in the final season premiere or finale once they heard the powerful ponies in Equestria are in danger again or they finally became demoralized. Still hope the Mane 6 and Royal Family end up like Korra after what Zaheer did to her. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:21, November 6, 2018 (UTC))

Everything you said sounds perfect for a season finale, so I appreciate you taking the time to voice your thoughts about it because of your disgust and disappointment regarding To Where and Back Again and what could have been done to make it work better than how it did go.

I really hope that the writers have considered taking the time to think this over after looking at all the feedback from To Where and Back Again and deal with that issue in a future episode if they took that into consideration when working on the scripts for Season 9. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:28, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Just hope it is real since Season 9 is our last chance. I’m still hoping for that being the possible premiere because of the cliffhanger. Also, since both the Mane 6 and Royal Family are still very oblivious to Chrysalis’ like in Mean 6, Cozy Glow could take advantage of that once she busts out of Tartarus and tries to make her her friend since she heard about her as well. With Tirek, they can really demoralize them and Cozy can take control of Equestria. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:49, November 6, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that is true. They had no idea they were dealing with copies created by Chrysalis. Heck, the Mane Six did not even realize Chrysalis was stalking them, despite being on the verge of a nervous breakdown at having to think up plans without the support of her Swarm anymore. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:10, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

No matter what happens or what she does, sooner or later Chrysalis may have no choice but to become Cozy’s friend. Cozy may possibly even blackmail or bribe her by learning her past flaws and downfall like she may do to Tirek to make sure her plans are not ruined and that both of them will follow her directions without flaw. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:55, November 6, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that's a good point. If Cozy can find those weaknesses in Chrysalis and use them against her, Chrysalis will have to cooperate with her in the end, knowing its the only option she has left. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 22:49, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

I think Cozy will discover Chrysalis’ weaknesses and flaws once they meet. After all, Cozy did study at the School of Friendship and learn the events that occurred involving villains like she learned about Tirek and his big downfall in Twilight’s Kingdom. With those what she’s learned at school, she can bribe or blackmail both Tirek and Chrysalis to follow her lead. That way she could not double-cross or be double-crossed like Tirek did to Discord or the Storm King To Tempest. What they did only led to their downfall. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:33, November 7, 2018 (UTC))

Makes perfect sense to me. Use what she learned to keep Tirek and Chrysalis under her hoof so they will work together, and make certain they don't betray her so long as she has some sort of contingency to use to keep them in line. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:14, November 7, 2018 (UTC)

I think the Mane 6 and Royal Family being totally oblivious about Chrysalis still around maybe lead to their own downfall especially with Cozy calling the shots. If they apprehended Chrysalis in Season 6 or search for her and send her to Tartarus like Tirek, then maybe they can ease up. Unfortunately, they never did and it’s one of the most devastating mistakes yet other than sending Cozy to Tartarus without realizing her full potential. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:22, November 7, 2018 (UTC))

True, and I'm sure they know that, even if they have the knowledge that Chrysalis is still out there and will return for revenge, swarm or no swarm behind her, if they are not ready for her this time, especially if she has Cozy and Tirek to help her, they might not be able to beat her next time. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:24, November 7, 2018 (UTC)

Just hope that Chrysalis gets help from Cozy Glow since she maybe her only hope to achieve revenge. As for Cozy, I don’t want her to create an army of evil creatures from Tartarus to rule Equestria by force since that idea was not in her character and the fact that these creatures aided the Mane 6 to escape Tartarus. She’s still plotting to rule and control Equestria as the Empress of Friendship, so she needs small things like first getting Tirek to be her friend and then find Chrysalis to be her friend too so they can form the Axis since she could promise them completely on getting revenge and reclaim their greatness. She has a lot of ways to bribe or blackmail them to make sure there won’t be any double-crossing. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:55, November 9, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, she has to take things litle by little if Cozy wants her next plan to succeed without any last minute interference that could ruin it happening again as it did in School Raze. And as for Chrysalis, that might be her only option left by this point with allying with Cozy to have any chance of getting revenge at this point. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:31, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

If we know Cozy very well, she’s definitely taking her next or grand plan step by step little by little like she did throughout Season 8. That may explain why she’s still smiling and calm at the end of Season 8. She was waiting patiently for the perfect moment to target the most powerful ponies in Equestria to weaken their defenses and make the land vulnerable for her manipulations. Chrysalis definitely has no other option than being Cozy’s new friend so she can provide the perfect plan for her to get revenge since Season 9 being the final season and her last chance to achieve her goal. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 18:14, November 9, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like an unlikely alliance of villains that could be successful together compared to having tried it alone and failed due to unlikely circumstances and the occasional Deus Ex Machina would work to both Cozy and Chrysalis' advantages when attempting to take down the Mane Six and Royal Family and claim Equestria as their own. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:32, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Since Cozy Glow missed her chance to secretly plot to get Neighsay fired and run the EEA to further her goals, she could still come up something big to rule and control Equestria using friendship. This is also a golden opportunity for Cozy to help Tirek regain his strength. Once they both escape Tartarus, she may have Tirek just steal magic from the most powerful ponies in Equestria, the same plot Chrysalis did. This time, they might not be able to stop him, Cozy, and Chrysalis since they had to defeat Tirek with Rainbow Power and they have no idea how to use it again if the Elements of Harmony weren’t enough or that Cozy could have Tirek drain it’s magic. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:46, November 10, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, that sounds like a good plan Cozy could think up to allow both Chrysalis and Tirek to get their revenge on the Mane Six and Royal Family and allow her to become Empress of Friendship in the process since she would still have some sort of backup in case Tirek and Chrysalis decide to turn on her after having accomplished their own goals thanks to Cozy's leadership. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:34, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

All of this overall was to see how pony friends and allies from across Equestria step up and maybe using their own talents to help save the Mane 6 and Royal Family from possibly Cozy Glow and her Axis after Twilight and her friends saved them all from the Storm King. I don’t want what we saw in To Where and Back Again become a waste or missed opportunity since being captured by Chrysalis easily could’ve been a great opportunity other than the Suicide Squad.

After discovering Cozy Glow and her abilities throughout Season 8, I bet she could make that attempt on targeting the Mane 6, Royal Family, Pillars, and even Starlight and her Suicide Squad since she’s so smart, clever, and dangerous than either Chrysalis, Tirek, or the Storm King because of her using friendship for evil which she almost succeeded. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:29, November 15, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, I know how you feel and want closure to that before the series ends, especially in Season 9 if they even have considered that with the writers and putting that idea to good use in that season, especially with the Student Six and all that now.

True, she would have plenty of time to think up a scheme to really render the Mane Six, Royal Family, and even guys like the Pillars or Starlight and her Suicide Squad unable to defend Equestria, leaving it up to the other ponies or their allies to pick up the slack. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:08, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that might be another reason why Cozy was being patient while in Tartarus. While being in the School of Friendship, she must’ve known how great the threat the Mane 6 and Royal Family were to her plans. That includes backup like Starlight and her Suicide Squad and the Pillars. It’s because she studied those events including To Where and Back Again, Shadow Play, and the movie involving the Storm King. So she decided to spend most of her time in Tartarus until she comes up with a grand plan to render them unable to fight and easily rule Equestria with Tirek and Chrysalis’ help once they’re successfully recruited as her friends. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:57, November 15, 2018 (UTC))

Makes perfect sense to me. Bide her time in Tartarus to get her plan together and ensure there's no holes in it, then make her move when the time is right. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 20:16, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

I just hope that is what she’s planning while biding her time in Tartarus. It’s possible that getting Tirek to be her friend was one of her first steps to her possibly grand master plan before trying to recruit Chrysalis and break the spirits on the victims of the Royal Wedding and so on since they both would do anything to achieve great revenge. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 10:17, November 16, 2018 (UTC))

Sounds like something Cozy would be worth thinking up while biding her time in lockup in Tartarus. And after what she pulled last time, the Mane Six and Royal Family might be better off being prepared for what she has up her sleeve next. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 14:01, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

That’s true, but according to the ending, Celestia believed that was sent to Tartarus where she won’t cause anymore trouble, or that’s what they all believed. They simply have no idea what Cozy has in store for the Mane 6, Royal Family, Pillars, and the Suicide Squad from To Where and Back Again. They all may have underestimated Cozy Glow. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 16:25, November 16, 2018 (UTC))

Yeah, Celestia has underestimated Cozy, and that might mean trouble in the future for everyone involved, especially if Celestia and Luna knew Tirek was involved in Cozy's last scheme. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 16:37, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

And it’s not just them involved in the event, it also includes those who weren’t involved or heard about Cozy Glow like Cadance, Shining Armor, the Pillars, Trixie, Thorax, and Discord. Maybe or maybe not they heard she’s helping Tirek carry out his revenge. Either way they all have underestimated Cozy Glow despite defeating her and have no idea what she has in store for the heroes and rulers. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 14:58, November 17, 2018 (UTC))

That much I can agree with. They all have to have learned about Cozy after what happened and have to be ready for whatever she might be planning next while in Tartarus. If they are not ready by then, they are screwed. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 15:34, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. I still believe that Cozy will have them in her clutches again like how Chrysalis did in To Where and Back Again, but this time Cozy Glow knowing how clever she is will target every possible threat to her plans like the Mane 6, Royal Family, Pillars, and Suicide Squad to make Equestria lose every hope for right now.

Need I remind you that she maybe the one who helped Flim and Flam open up Friendship University by giving them a copy of the School of Friendship guidelines. They didn’t realize that it was part of Cozy’s plan to have more ponies come to the School of Friendship one day so she may have more ponies to control easily since she knows Twilight and her friends can see through their scams and would eventually stopped them. That involves taking steps, and the same type of skills can happen again while in Tartarus so she could easily have all the most powerful ponies in Equestria and Starlight’s Suicide Squad out of commission by brainwash or captivity with the help of both Tirek and even Chrysalis. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 19:25, November 17, 2018 (UTC))

I haven't forgotten about that little piece of detail, CosmoStar24. Still, I am starting to get annoyed with you saying the same stuff over and over again and eating up bytes on my Talk Page. Need I have to get Imperfect involved to get you to stop?

I understand your frustrations, but I don't want to be on Wikia every now and then and get that notification that you've posted a new message on my Talk Page as soon as I load up a new Wikia page. Especially when I get that notice on my emails. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 19:47, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

I heard that Season 9 is the final season and it is going to involve a legion of past villains to defeat the Mane 6 and Royal Family and to conquer Equestria once and for all; even though the focus of the season premiere involves King Sombra as the main antagonist. It might be possible they are saving Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow for the series premiere. Maybe this time they would come up with a plan in the late part of the season to broke the morales of Twilight, Spike, the Mane 6, Celestia, Cadance, and Shining Armor because of A Canterlot Wedding and To Where and Back Again.

I wonder if the events of the premiere like seeing the Mane 6 defeat King Sombra without the Elements or Tree of Harmony could be a plan for the villains to observe, so they could come up with the most evil and diabolical plan to defeat and/or capture the Mane 6 and Royal Family and leave Equestria wide open to conquer with friends and allies from past seasons to fight back as a way to repay them for saving them all dozens of times including from the treat of the Storm King. Not to mention they must also eradicate Starlight and the Suicide Squad, the Pillars, and Young 6 or these villains will meet the immediate failure as Chrysalis and Cozy Glow who they used to have perfect plans to stop all treats and take Equestria until the very last minute where they lost. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:49, March 15, 2019 (UTC))

I have no idea, CosmoStar24, but if it gives the Mane Six and the Royal Family a chance for some revenge for everything the likes of what Queen Chrysalis, Lord Tirek, and the other unreformed villains put them through in the past, I wouldn't blame them for wanting some payback before convincing the villains to either repent and reform, or put them back in Tartarus for eternity when it is clear they will never let friendship into their hearts.

Celestia and Luna deciding to retire could be a ruse for them to get some revenge once the villains let their guard down with thinking that with the Royal Sisters retired, they would not pose a problem anymore, then with the villains having lowered their guard, Celestia and Luna, no longer restrained by their royal duties, would unleash their fury and get their payback and some sweet revenge for the grief that the villains put them through in the past, including Queen Chrysalis. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 16:11, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

I know the Mane 6 and Royal Family must do want payback, but I prefer the villains trying to do something about them before this happens. You know after To Where and Back Again especially after Season 8, I would rather have Cozy Glow to team up with Chrysalis back then where she captures the most powerful pony in Equestria while Cozy deals with the Suicide Squad leaving for her to control without any threat. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 12:34, March 16, 2019 (UTC))

Sounds good, but I think I've had my fill of seeing the Princesses having to be rescued from certain peril enough already and would like for them to at least get some sweet, well-deserved, revenge before the series is over this year. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:30, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

If that’s the case, then I’ll never understand why they would make To Where and Back Again a type of finale I have trouble accepting or even forgetting. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 07:32, March 20, 2019 (UTC))

True, but if Celestia and Luna can get some revenge on Chrysalis in Season 9 for what happened there, that would satisfy me. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 13:36, March 20, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but still, To Where and Back Again was a perfect opportunity for friends and allies the Mane 6 meet to step up and save the day instead of just the Suicide Squad, and now it was a total waste. It made me feel if only Cozy would somehow team up with Chrysalis to have her kidnap the most powerful ponies in Equestria so she could easily take control of Equestria with her friendship ideas and go unopposed. Maybe perhaps the events in the Season 6 finale involving the capture of Twilight and the powerful ponies could’ve waited until the series finale where civilians can step up before Twilight and her friends do the rest.(CosmoStar24 (talk) 15:59, March 23, 2019 (UTC))

True, that would have worked out much better if things had gone like that. Still, it is good that there will be a bigger evil that the Mane Six will have to contend with this final season in the dangerous Grogar. If he can use necromancy to resurrect Sombra, who knows what this could mean for the Mane Six and the Princesses when dealing with someone who is skilled in the dark arts of dealing with the dead. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 16:24, March 23, 2019 (UTC)

We saw the premiere and this maybe the moment we’ve been waiting for. The ancient foe known as Grogar can see villains’ defeats at the the hands of the Mane 6, but he must also see most of the defeats by the Suicide Squad and the Young 6. Grogar should also heard the Pillars of Equestria have returned to increase the land’s defenses.

The ram should soon be prepared for anything by forming a team effort from now on in order to achieve victory once and for all. He may target the Mane 6, Spike, Royal Family, Suicide Squad, Pillars, and the Young 6 just like Chrysalis did in To Where and Back Again, but this time no changeling are replacing them to steal love, it is to destroy any hope Equestria has. This time, friends and allies who were mostly civilians will step up and save their heroes as a way to return the favor. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 01:38, April 7, 2019 (UTC))

Sounds about right to me, but it is clear that Tirek, Cozy, and Chrysalis are a little unsure of working under Grogar, but with what happened to Sombra when he went solo being a warning to those that dare to cross Grogar, they may have no choice but to serve him to get their revenge in the long run. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:40, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe Grogar with the help of the villains can use the same tactics Chrysalis used in To Where and Back Again, but this time no Changeling are replacing them. That includes the Suicide Squad, Pillars, and Young 6. I don’t know how yet, but knowing Grogar after seeing past events from finales and premieres, he’ll come up with something to get rid of all the threats. It’s to inform all of Equestria that their hope is gone. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 17:49, April 7, 2019 (UTC))

Yeah, he's got to have something sinister in mind to do away with the Mane Six as their biggest threats, then when they are gone, turn their attention to the Princesses, Spike, Discord, Shining Armor, Starlight, and anyone else who would pose a threat to their ultimate conquest. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:45, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

Well I heard most people might agree with Grogar using Chrysalis’ tactics on capturing the most powerful ponies in Equestria from To Where and Back Again, but this time a little better instead of replacing them with Changelings to feed on love. We know even though the Mane 6 and Royal Family are a big target, Grogar must’ve heard on temporary heroes like the Suicide Squad, Pillars, and Young 6 that Grogar show target as well. Maybe the series finale can do what Season 6 finale couldn’t, and that’s friends and allies who were pony civilians to step up and save their heroes before Princess Twilight and her friends can deal a finishing blow. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 17:08, April 14, 2019 (UTC))

Sounds like an interesting scheme that Grogar could implement in the series finale. Also, don't forget about the various allies Equestria has in Rutherford and the yaks, Ember and the dragons, Queen Novo and her Hippogriffs, the Griffins, and Thorax and the reformed Changeling Swarm. All their support would really be a problem for Grogar and the other villains should they rise up to aid the ponies against them. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 18:43, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

Don’t forget Thorax was a member of the Suicide Squad, so he might be dealt with too. Besides I was hoping we see civilians ponies return the favor something that should’ve happened in To Where and Back Again. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 21:02, April 14, 2019 (UTC))

True, but Thorax does have the support of the Swarm and Pharynx behind him, so if anyone screws with him, they'll have to deal with Pharynx and the Swarm as well. As for civilian ponies like Mayor Mare, the Crusaders, DJ PON-3 and Octavia, that would be a good idea. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 23:00, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

The heroes this time during the series finale should be friends and allies of the Mane 6 who were mostly civilians to somehow rescue them so their heroes can do the final battle. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:18, April 15, 2019 (UTC))

As I said, that's a good idea. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:34, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Forgot to add that it was about returning the favor after saving them and showing them friendship. (CosmoStar24 (talk) 00:41, April 15, 2019 (UTC))

My thoughts exactly. equestria_girls___daydream_shimmer_by_botchan_mlp-d9lisoh.gifSonictheHedgehog1245equestria_girls___dean_cadance_walking_by_botchan_mlp-d9d67zo.gif 01:34, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

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