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Okay, TinkTonk, you've made your opinions about Flim and Flam. Please try to comment with a bit more moderation - you're posting and editing a large volume of comments in a short amount of time. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 18:31, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'm just a person who is obsessed with detail. Editing is basically my lifeblood, and sometimes I just can't help it. TinkTonk (talk) 18:33, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

"Use your brain."
"It's called using your brain, Impy. Something you probably wouldn't consider..."
I would appreciate you not being this condescending in the comments, TinkTonk. If you want to have an intellectual discussion, I'm more than happy to oblige. But patronizing remarks such as these are childish, and I have no interest in humoring such behavior. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:04, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Gee, I'm just saying. Besides, you seem to intend to disagree with me on any subject possible no matter how right I am. Like I said, you pay far too much attention to literal words, and not what is actually happening in the show. Like how you somehow think Celestia and Luna were born alicorns, even though it has been made crystal clear that they weren't. TinkTonk (talk) 20:07, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

And I must say, you are certainly a one to use the word "patronizing". TinkTonk (talk) 20:08, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

According to The Journal of the Two Sisters, they most certainly were. And to my knowledge, there haven't been any indications or major contradictions to prove otherwise. Unless you know of some? (And I don't mean conclusions drawn from your own internal theorizing; I mean actual, physical evidence given in the show, other official material, or statements by the show staff themselves.)
Like I said, I'm more than open to discussion and debate as long as you conduct yourself maturely. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:22, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
"First alicorn baby in all of time and space -- and doesn't she have such a CUTE little face?!"
My Little Pony (mobile game) describing Flurry Heart
(7)6(four) (talk) 01:18, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

According to The Crystalling, they most certainly weren't. Remember?

Twilight Sparkle: The baby is an Alicorn?!
Princess Cadance: It looks that way.
Rarity: But... But... But I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!
Applejack: Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?
Princess Celestia: The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen.
Princess Luna: It is beyond even our understanding.
No. Celestia and Luna were not born alicorns. TinkTonk (talk) 20:25, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
"Nope. They say Alicorns have never been born IN EQUESTRIA."
Jim Miller answering "In s06ep01 Luna states there never was an alicorn born.So does this mean Luna and Celestia werent originally aicorns?"[sic]
(7)6(four) (talk) 01:18, August 25, 2018 (UTC)
(7)6(four) But that does not tally with anything else in the show. It contradicts everything in The Crystalling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TinkTonk (talkcontribs)
And I am certainly not theorizing about the Tirek-Discord, I am thinking. I'm not just coming up with something random that comes from a possible imply, I'm using logic and facts to work out the truth. That's called being smart and logical, and if I might say so, I am a very logical person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TinkTonk (talkcontribs)
The world of Equestria is, by definition of being fictional, made up. Trying to make an argument based on facts is absurd because there are no "facts" in a world that doesn't exist. In the case of categorizing something that is clearly made up, "literal words" are the only real source of information. Outside of that the possibilities are literally infinite, and picking one is just as meaningless as picking another.Fluffbrain (talk) 20:42, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

You misunderstand me, Fluffbrain. Here's an analogy. You know how in Every Little Thing She Does, when Starlight gives the hypnotized ponies orders, and they follow her orders literally, like when she says "Gather up all the animals in the castle," it's pretty obvious she means the ones Fluttershy brought, but Fluttershy instead follows her orders perfectly literally and gathers up all the bugs and spiders and literally every animal in the castle. It's kind of like that. Impy often takes ponies' words too literally. TinkTonk (talk) 20:47, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

"how, may I ask, does that pointless, meaningless loophole you have purposely forced in tally with anything else in the episode?" TinkTonk, is it impossible for you to express yourself on this Wiki without employing such a heightened sense of superiority? Is this what you call "being smart and logical"? Because it's little more than harassment from my standpoint. I can take things presented by the series as literally or metaphorically as I please. Such is my right. There's no need to resort to such unwarranted provocation. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:49, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm being patronizing, I don't mean to, I'm just a blunt person. TinkTonk (talk) 20:50, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

And when I say "being logical", I'm talking about putting facts together and figuring out the truth. That's logic. And I never said you didn't have a right to your opinions, you do, just that you were taking Celestia's words too literally that it didn't tally with anything else.TinkTonk (talk) 20:56, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Friendship University/@comment-3410511-20180824161915/@comment-36700661-20180824174036 & Talk:Friendship University/@comment-3410511-20180824161915/@comment-36700661-20180824180019: Flim and Flam met Twilight Sparkle personally on multiple occasions before Friendship University. (7)6(four) (talk) 10:33, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

But the comics do not exist in the show, so they do not count.  When have Flim and Flam met Twilight in the show? Twilight was not present in Leap of Faith or Viva Las Pegsus, and although was present in The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000, she never actually met the FlimFlam Brothers. She acts like she knows them personally in Friendship University, which she doesn't. TinkTonk (talk) 12:42, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

The show itself doesn't "exist in the show" (that'd make it recursive metafiction); the comics don't have to be metafictional to "count". (7)6(four) (talk) 13:30, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

But the comics are completely separate. They are not in the timeline of the TV show, and nothing that happens outside the timeline of the TV show happens in it. Just like how MLP:FIM exists in Equestria Girls, but Equestria Girls doesn't exist in MLP:FIM. TinkTonk (talk) 13:56, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

The Dazzlings exist in Shadow Play - Part 2, so that's not completely true. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:01, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

But the Dazzlings are MLP-world beings that Starswirl fought. They were just also used in Equestria Girls. Like how a lot of characters from MLP: FIM are in Equestria Girls. The Dazzlings are just another three. They have nothing to do with Equestria Girls in Shadow Play. TinkTonk (talk) 14:15, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

The sirens that the Pillars fought in Shadow Play are the same sirens that the Rainbooms fought in Rainbow Rocks, not their Equestria Girls counterparts. That's been confirmed. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:44, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

I know that they are the same sirens, but what I'm saying is that it's only in Equestria Girls that the Dazzlings came to the human world. The human world doesn't exist in MLP: FIM.. It's just an extra story that they put in Equestria Girls as an alternate timeline from the real story of the Dazzlings. TinkTonk (talk) 14:47, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

(wat) What "real story"? The "real story" is the one that the writers told. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:56, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Well, maybe "real story" wasn't quite accurate. What I mean is, the story of the Dazzlings in MLP: FIM is different to the one in Equestria Girls. They're stories that are different depending which timeline they're on: MLP: FIM or Equestria Girls. TinkTonk (talk) 14:59, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

The two stories are one and the same. They're not separate timelines; it's one single timeline. Several writers, including the one whose tweet I linked above, confirm this. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 15:07, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

But Equestria Girls and MLP:FIM are alternate timelines. Equestria Girls didn't come inbetween Magical Mystery Cure and Princess Twilight Sparkle in MLP: FIM. And the second one didn't come inbetween Twilight's Kingdom and The Cutie Map. They're alternate timelines. TinkTonk (talk) 15:18, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

By that logic, each episode would be on its own alternate timeline instead of coming between other episodes. (7)6(four) (talk) 15:29, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

No, you misunderstand. Every MLP episode comes right after the previous one. Princess Twilight Sparkle comes right after Magical Mystery Cure in MLP: FIM, but in Equestria Girls, the Equestria Girls movie comes right after Magical Mystery Cure, but doesn't follow onto Princess Twilight Sparkle. They're just movies that come after finales and the two timelines do not work with both sets of stories on the same timeline. TinkTonk (talk) 15:34, August 25, 2018 (UTC)
furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 16:42, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Whatever. Equestria Girls is not canon with MLP: FIM. That's just the truth—Preceding unsigned comment added by TinkTonk (talkcontribs) 21:16, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

File:Comic issue 18 page 3.png (7)6(four) (talk) 07:19, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Those are the comics, not the show, and like I've said, the comics do not exist in the show. TinkTonk (talk) 08:15, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
(7)6(four) (talk) 08:25, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Bittersweet and Leadwing? Ogres & Oubliettes? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 10:42, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

What about them? TinkTonk (talk) 11:34, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Characters/objects introduced in the comics that were later incorporated into the series. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 11:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the characters, I'm talking about the comics themselves. Sure, plenty of comic characters are introduced into the show, but there is no relation to the comics themselves. None of the comics happen in the show. TinkTonk (talk) 12:56, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Filly Guides/@comment-4531340-20160925105759 & Talk:P.P.O.V. (Pony Point of View)/@comment-28723573-20161001161033/@comment-14703963-20161001180442? (7)6(four) (talk) 13:24, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
"SOME of the comics are canon, but not ALL of the comics are canon", in other words? (ok) furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:27, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

TinkTonk, it's becoming clear to me that you have little interest in meaningful discussion on this Wiki. Based on your commenting, you seem less concerned about hearing the opinions of others and more concerned about being right and having other people tell you that you're right. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that front, but that is the impression I'm getting from your commenting history, and I feel I should warn you that such behavior will quickly alienate you from the other users on this site.

I recommend you focus on parts of the series you do like and try not to convey such negativity and hostility so often. Just a thought. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:30, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I forgive you, because you are indeed wrong. I'm not being negative or hostile, or "more interested in being right", I'm just commenting my thoughts on things. You, and every other user I've disagreed with, does exactly the same thing, and so if I am "more interested on being right", then all of you certainly are too. Besides, I just write my thoughts on episodes. It isn't my fault I have more negative stuff than positive to say, because the show has been made pretty Sugar-Honey-Iced-Tea, so there is naturally a lot more negative stuff to say than positive. TinkTonk (talk) 13:41, August 31, 2018 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 00:30, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Wiki comments are deleted if they contain/allude to inappropriate content (such as profanity) or if they are perceived as spam. Saying the same thing over and over (like "Spitfire was OOC") is an example of this. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 15:58, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

Fine, I guess I get that, but why delete ones that we only write our opinions on, and don't write more than once? TinkTonk (talk) 16:18, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

Are you finished going on about how much you loathe Friendship University, TinkTonk? You've been commenting about it on a regular basis over the past ten days. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 15:45, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Probably. It's a popular page that people comment on a lot, so I go to it regularly, like the other Season 8 eps. Are you finished going on at me for doing what every other user on this net does? Because you've been doing it on a regular basis over the past ten days. TinkTonk (talk) 17:01, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

This isn't an elementary school playground, TinkTonk; please don't throw my own words back at me and call it an argument. To my knowledge, other users have not gone on about a single episode as much as you recently have. Like I said before, that sort of behavior is tantamount to spam, and it may result in (at best) your comments being deleted or (at worst) getting banned.
You've made your thoughts about Friendship University pretty clear at this point. Now you're just repeating yourself over and over. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:27, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

I tend to do that sometimes. *shrug* But whatever. Sure. TinkTonk (talk) 17:38, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Please do not use profanity or otherwise inappropriate language in the comments as you did here. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 12:09, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. TinkTonk (talk) 15:02, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

It's becoming a little tiresome watching you use the Wiki as your own personal soapbox, TinkTonk. Whether it's your borderline obsession with Flim and Flam, your views on Equestria Girls' canonicity, or how you dismiss things you don't like as "out of character" or "the writers' fault". I see very little positivity in your comments as of late. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:22, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

For starters, I am not obsessed with Flim and Flam, they are just my favourite characters. Second, there's nothing wrong with trying to assert your view on something. Third, I do not dismiss things as out of character just because I do not like them. For instance, I didn't like Pinkie Pie's behaviour in Rock Solid Friendship, or Twilight's in No Second Prances, or Rainbow Dash's in Mysterious Mare-Do-Well, but they weren't out of character, they were just doing things I didn't like. They still act like themselves. Out of character means they don't act like themselves. Like Spitfire in The Washouts, or Discord in The Break Up Breakdown, or Flim and Flam in Friendship University. There's a big difference.

Also, I've already made a lot of positive opinions, it's just that there's more negative stuff to say than positive about the episodes that have aired lately, since they're so bad. And it's also kind of up to me what I say about an episode.TinkTonk (talk) 17:19, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

Please stop posting the same comment(s) over and over in the Honest Apple comments section. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 12:01, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

I think whenever you go on one of your rants about Friendship University, Honest Apple, Equestria Girls, Winter Wrap Up, etc., it constitutes as soapboxing - less expressing your opinion, more making a statement/stoking controversy. If you were simply expressing your opinion, you would not get as defensive as you have in the past (or now, for that matter). It's why you sometimes find your comments have been deleted - because there is a difference between expression one's opinion and seeking validation. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:39, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

"Defensive"? The only times I'm defensive are when people are jerks and won't respect my opinion, like that jerk who wouldn't stop trying to shove their opinion on the Dazzlings down my throat. Tell me, what's wrong with being defensive of your opinion when someone's doing that?TinkTonk (talk) 14:57, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid I cannot describe your continued posts in comment sections related to Flim and Flam as anything other than obsessive, TinkTonk. Pinkie Pie is my favorite character, but you don't see me constantly singing her praises and defending her against the occasional detractors. On the other hand, the level of defensiveness you've shown toward Flim and Flam - excusing their actions and dismissing select appearances as "out of character" just to make them look good - certainly rises to the level of obsessive.
If such commenting from you gets further out of hand, it will likely result in more of your comments getting deleted. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:21, December 25, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not obsessive, I'm just pedantic and I sometimes talk too much. I'm sorry if it came off as obsessive to you. Also, I do not dismiss Flim and Flam as out of character just to make them look good, I say they're out of character when they're out of character. They're not the only people who are out of character on occasions. Loads of characters are, eg. Twilight, Spike, Celestia, Discord, Applejack, Fluttershy, Spitfire, Pinkie Pie, Starlight Glimmer, Lightning Dust, etc. And I hate quite a few of those characters, so it's not just "to make characters look good". I'd never want to make Twilight or Spitfire look good. And I don't try and excuse Flim and Flam's actions at all. Scamming ponies with a snake oil product was completely awful, and trying to take the Apples' farm was horrid. I just have a strong sense of justice, and just that what they did in that particular comic was completely justified, and it wasn't fair.

Also, about showing a "higher level of defense" on Flim and Flam, it's just that I tend to talk more about characters I like than characters I don't like as much, because there's just more to say about them. I'm not biased or obsessive, I just talk more about particular subjects than others.TinkTonk (talk) 20:37, December 25, 2018 (UTC)

  • "it's still a bit hypocritical"
  • "My claim is completely supported by the episode itself, in fact, a lot more than yours"
  • "I'm not sure what your world has come to"
  • "the most you three have done is make rather weak excuses"

Your continued condescension and personal attacks are still not appreciated, TinkTonk, and I'm concerned by your inability to have a debate without resorting to such tactics. You deflect and parrot accusations back at your accusers (such as demanding proof from those who demand proof of you first instead of actually presenting your own), and you hold your own skewed perspective of the series higher than what the series actually conveys (including official statements by show staff). It's this level of egotism that kickstarts many of the arguments you get into. I strongly suggest you try and keep it in check. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 23:13, January 14, 2019 (UTC)

"Millions of people write comments on wikia that are WAY longer than that."

Once again, this Wiki does not follow the same rules and standards as the rest of the Wikia network. Please mind this message that is displayed at the top of all comment sections: "Please direct long comments to the forum or a blog, and mind the comment deletion guidelines." Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 22:14, January 23, 2019 (UTC)

Try to slow down with your commenting, please. You're posting a lot of comments in a short amount of time, and a great deal of comments posted in the past few hours have been yours alone. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 12:49, August 23, 2019 (UTC)

Please keep subjects that are inappropriate for this Wiki such as pedophilia out of the comments. Whether Fluttercord constitutes pedophilia is purely a matter of perspective, and it's not an appropriate topic for this Wiki. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:44, January 8, 2020 (UTC)

If you're going to insist on using the Wiki as a soapbox to push your (outlandishly) subjective views on episodes, TinkTonk, I urge you to use your personal user blog. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 18:39, January 10, 2020 (UTC)


Please preview your edits before you publish them. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 17:58, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry about those, they were accidents. I'm just new to editing this website, and I'm still getting to grips with how it's done. I meant to do it right. Sorry. TinkTonk (talk) 18:44, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Also, why is my comment on Flim and Flam deleted? TinkTonk (talk) 18:47, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Stop removing information from articles without valid reason. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:10, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

But that part is literally all said abov in the article, just using different words. TinkTonk (talk) 13:12, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

It relates to Discord's personality, citing examples from episodes. Any superficial similarities with the "Depiction" section are negligible and not sufficient enough cause to remove it entirely. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:22, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not talking about in Depiction, I'm saying that that pice of writing is already said in Personality, just put into different words. Like how you get at me for complaining about Flim and Flam's portrayal in several different ways. TinkTonk (talk) 13:24, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any other part in the Personality section that bears resemblance to the part you're trying to erase. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:27, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Discord is shown to be a mischievous and manipulative trickster who effortlessly pulls pranks on others through the use of his powerful magic, illusions, and hypnotism with little to no consideration towards his victims. He has a sense of showmanship and drama, preferring to be playful towards his victims before getting down to business, as seen when he mocks and banters with Celestia and the Mane Six in CanterlotTower. He laughs and amuses himself with his magical chaos, mostly at the cost of others. Among other things Discord turns the ponies against each other, making Twilight Sparkle miserable and depressed, and generally causes ridiculous things to happen.

Discord is arrogant and overconfident, as he underestimated the ponies' ability to restore their friendship and wield the Elements of Harmony. Despite having a fondness for chaos, he can become easily annoyed if things don't go according to his plan; he becomes impatient when he cannot corrupt Fluttershy as easily as the other ponies. In Keep Calm and Flutter On, Discord states that he's never had a friend. He appears touched when Fluttershy declares herself to be his friend, and it is that glimpse of genuine friendship that causes him to undo the chaos he had caused. He states at the end of the episode that he will use his magic only for good from now on: "most of the time". Since then, he has kept his chaotic tendency to a low, though is still more than willing to cause mischief. TinkTonk (talk) 13:29, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

As I said, no resemblance. No reference to being "prideful" or an "unwillingness to admit to feeling hurt or left out".
And stop changing "headmare" to "headstallion". Discord is referred to as "headmare" three times in the episode. Further edit warring will result in a block. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:35, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Those are trivial errors. Headmare means headmistress, and Discord is male, so he would be vice headstallion, like how Neighsay said Cozy Glow had better get used to calling him Headstallion Neighsay.TinkTonk (talk) 13:36, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Only Neighsay is referred to as "headstallion". Discord isn't. Changing such terms to be gender-normative would be in-universe. For example, two of the Method Mares are males. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:50, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

But it's exactly the same word: headstallion, used for exactly the same principle. It's not like it would be different for two different characters. Sure, if we had never heard the word "headstallion", then headmare would be fine for everyone, but we did, and so Discord is vice headstallion.TinkTonk (talk) 13:52, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

If you want to call him a headstallion yourself, that's your right. As far as the Wiki is concerned, though, they are two distinct terms used for two distinct characters, regardless of the gender-centrism that each term carries. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:00, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

OK....I have absolutely no idea how in Equestria you could believe something like that, That's pretty insane, and not even true. TinkTonk (talk) 14:03, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what I "believe". That's how things are done on this Wiki. It's not the place of this site or its users to inject their own personal views into official material. I know that "mare" is a female term, but that doesn't matter. Discord is called "vice headmare" in the episode, and therefore, that's what he is. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:17, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

Those are pretty dumb rules. I mean, what if there is two pieces of info in two episodes that completely contradict each other because of an error? Would you just put them both down, even if one of them was true and the other wasn't?TinkTonk (talk) 14:20, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

A record of official information is useful for people to look up information about the show. Adding personal speculation dilutes that utility. Also note that this is a work of fiction, and that it's not intended to be contradiction-free. If we were inserting speculation to smooth over contradictions, we'd be stuck forever on why the characters are called "ponies" when they are able to speak like humans, which real ponies cannot do.Fluffbrain (talk) 18:51, September 25, 2018 (UTC)

As I asked in my edit summary, what is your reasoning for removing these links? furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 19:42, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

Because the comics are not canon, the only time Rarity and Flim and Flam have seen each other is in The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000, there are no other times in the show that they have seen each other, so those other two links have no reason to be there.TinkTonk (talk) 19:44, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

Whether you believe the comics to be canon or not is irrelevant. The comics (and all other Hasbro-licensed MLP content) are considered by the Wiki to be official material. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 19:54, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

But that makes no sense. Every MLP episode happens back-to-back. There's nothing inbetween. TinkTonk (talk) 19:56, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

And there's no factuality to that statement. Putting aside the contradiction that one episode takes place at the end of winter and two episodes later it's shortly before the beginning of winter, a number of episodes and media disprove it.
But I've no interest in rehashing this debate. Point being, whether you consider certain MLP material to be canon or not, it is still considered official on the Wiki. Thus, any content depicted therein is also official. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:13, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

No, I mean there are no episodes or canon events inbetween. Obviously time passes between episodes, but there is nothing canon inbetween them. TinkTonk (talk) 20:15, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

Two counterexamples off the top of my head:
(7)6(four) (talk) 20:45, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

But My Little Pony The Movie is canon. It comes between Shadow Play and The School Daze, like an episode, and how Best Gift Ever is canon after Season 8. They're part of the series, not just stuff that happens in comics or spin-offs, or seperate events. If you look at the MLP List of Episodes, the Movie and Best Gift Ever are part of the list. And Pinkie Pie and the, etc etc wasn't actually canon, it's just a spin-off book. TinkTonk (talk) 20:49, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

"there are no episodes or canon events inbetween (episodes)"
What gives you this idea? 'Canon' can be literally anything the producers want.Fluffbrain (talk) 21:09, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
Symbol support vote Support To slightly paraphrase a (nonspecific-to-MLP) statement by Lauren Faust, fans may interpret for themselves, but canon ultimately is up to the storytellers (MLP's highest-authority "storyteller" being Hasbro). (7)6(four) (talk) 21:45, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
Neither The Movie nor Best Gift Ever are part of the list of episodes; lists don't determine whether or not material is canon. (7)6(four) (talk) 21:45, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

I'm just saying that the movie and Best Gift Ever are a part of the series. The movie comes after Season 7, and B.G.E comes after Season 8, so that is different. Look here.

TinkTonk (talk) 06:45, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

They're as much a part of the series as My Little Pony Equestria Girls (between seasons three and four) is, being differentiated by title (Friendship is Magic vs. Equestria Girls vs. The Movie vs. Best Gift Ever) yet still having a set sequence. The difference is that Equestria Girls has its own sequels forming an otherwise-mostly-separate spin-off series, but "separate" doesn't equal "non-canon". (7)6(four) (talk) 04:44, October 14, 2018 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring, TinkTonk. I already stated in my edit summary that Flim and Flam's appearances in Best Gift Ever are not notable enough to warrant more tabs in the infobox when there are already a number of tabs to begin with. Infoboxes should be streamlined to only feature the minimum number of tabs necessary. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:07, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

What makes them not notable enough? And a lot of pages I've seen have considerably more tabs than that.TinkTonk (talk) 21:08, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "lot of pages" you're referring to; you'll have to be more specific. As for what makes them non-notable, largely it's due to them being one-off appearances/less common than their usual appearances. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:22, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

e.g. Thorax, Chrysalis, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by TinkTonk (talkcontribs)

Stages of a character's physical development (such as infant, teenager, adult, etc.) take precedence over individual outfits/costumes. And Chrysalis' article only has three tabs (fewer than Flim and Flam's current five). furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 22:13, November 2, 2018 (UTC)


Please try to consolidate your edits. If you're making a lot of changes to a page, try to make them in as few edits as possible instead of making multiple minor edits in a short amount of time. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 19:55, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Flim and Flam used Star Swirl's presence at their university to convince the students to work harder and spend more bits on worksheets. They had already gotten EEA accreditation before that point. That rises to the level of "incentive". Please stop edit warring. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:16, January 18, 2019 (UTC)

You've been blocked for edit warring and removing links from Friendship University/Gallery without sufficient reason. As I said before - both in my edit summary and in my messages above - the comics are official material whether you consider them to be canon or not. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:22, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

But it's got nothing to do with whether consider it to be canon! King Sombra returning as a villain in Season 9 when he reformed in Siege of the Crystal Empire PROVES that Siege of the Crystal Empire isn't canon, because if it was, Sombra wouldn't be a villain anymore. I DID give you a sufficient reason when I edited it! TinkTonk (talk) 16:52, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

As far as I understand, image captions:

1. are not held to the same consistency/accuracy standards as typical page content

2. are like talk page contributions in that they should be modified only by the person who made them, who in this case is (7)6(four)Fluffbrain (talk) 20:18, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

If whether or not Siege of the Crystal Empire is "canon" is the reason for your link removal, then it is (by your own admission) a question of whether or not you consider it to be canon. Otherwise, you would have no reason to remove the link in the first place. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:35, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

But it's not that I don't consider it to be canon, it just isn't canon! I don't know why you're using the word "consider". My reason to remove the link is because it isn't canon, therefore it doesn't count as "previous encounters". I didn't just take it away because I don't consider it to be canon. I don't consider Seasons 1 - 8 to be canon, they just are canon. There's no "considering" in it. Just tell me, how is it possible that Siege of the Crystal Empire is canon, if Sombra reformed in it, but is still a supervillain in the show? How? TinkTonk (talk) 21:16, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

It's because "canon" and "non-canon" are not terms officially recognized by the Wiki, because what's canon and what isn't differs from individual to individual. The Wiki only recognized what is official and what is unofficial, and Siege of the Crystal Empire is official.
Secondly, the comic writers themselves have stated that their works are treated as canon under the Hasbro banner - until any works that come later, whether in the show or also in the comics, contradicts it. So what's defined as "canon" is constantly changing.
Point being: your reasoning for removing the link on the Friendship University/Gallery page, on top of what Fluffbrain said above, is not sufficient enough. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:40, March 1, 2019 (UTC)

Character quotes

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TinkTonk, I already explained the matter to you regarding the "Quotes" section on Flim and Flam's page. Please drop the matter and refrain from further edit warring. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 23:55, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

I still don't understand what on earth you were talking about, but sure, whatever, I'll leave it alone. TinkTonk (talk) 23:57, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Character galleries

A character's depiction in statue is not eligible for that character's gallery page(s). furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:20, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Why not? Stained glass windows, lamps, photographs, balloons, stuffed toys, etc, are. Why not statues? TinkTonk (talk) 13:26, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

It's an admittedly gray area on this Wiki -- what qualifies for inclusion on character galleries and what doesn't. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:32, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

That wasn't an answer to my question. Stained glass windows, lamps, photographs, balloons, stuffed toys, etc, are. Why not statues? TinkTonk (talk) 13:42, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Most of those apply mainly to Discord, who is not the Wiki standard when it comes to character galleries. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:54, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

What does that even mean? TinkTonk (talk) 13:55, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

It means clear, physical depictions such as photographs and portraits apply, but non-physical/abstract depictions such as statues (except in cases where the characters themselves are petrified, for example) do not necessarily apply. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:22, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Then why the lamps, stained glass windows and balloons? TinkTonk (talk) 14:24, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

I already said. Those apply mainly to Discord, who isn't the Wiki standard. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:30, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

But what does that mean? TinkTonk (talk) 14:32, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Come to think of it, File:Cranky hide by Statue S2E18.png is on Princess Celestia/Gallery/Season 2#A Friend in Deed (and on Princess Celestia/Gallery#Season 2), so either it should be removed from there or statues do qualify after all; which? (7)6(four) (talk) 18:00, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Literal interpretations

Hi Tinktonk, I just wanted to offer a suggestion. It seems that people often misinterpret your words, but only because they're going off of the words you use, and perhaps not the words you mean. I noticed this in our discussion about Owl's Well that Ends Well and in this comment thread. I understand that you may not always mean for people to take your words "as is", but I think you overestimate our ability to know what you're actually thinking and want to communicate. This being a text-based forum, it is standard practice to assume the words you use are the words you mean to use, such as the word "exact"; there isn't much wiggle room with the meaning of the word, i.e. "exact" and "literally exact" are almost always the same thing. My suggestion is to choose your words more carefully to express what you actually mean, which will probably reduce the amount of misunderstanding from others. Fluffbrain (talk) 21:11, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not saying that users actually thought you meant Father Knows Beast was literally an exact copy of Dragon Quest, as in the same episode under a different name. In my opinion they were clearly using the term "exact" in the same way your text indicated - that it was a scene-for-scene retread - but you apparently meant that it covered the same points on Spike's narrative arc, which is a different assertion than "just an exact copy" implies.Fluffbrain (talk) 04:52, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

How about I stick to writing my comments, and you stick to writing yours? Seriously, it's getting annoying. TinkTonk (talk) 21:15, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

You'll note this was posted two months ago. Also, it was a suggestion offered in the spirit of help, not criticism, concerning a pattern that seems to cause you grief--that of people misunderstanding you. If you feel it doesn't apply to you, just ignore it.Fluffbrain (talk) 21:35, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

That's what I've been trying to do for ages, had you just dropped it. Plus, I didn't get the edit til today.TinkTonk (talk) 22:02, November 2, 2018 (UTC)


Hi TinkTonk,

I'm bringing this up because on your talk page you've indicated that you pride yourself on rationality and making logical arguments. Several times in the comments you've said something like "I don't know what (word or concept) means", and I think you use that as some sort of defense in the vein of "you don't make sense". In a real debate, saying you don't know the meaning of a word is never in your favor; if anything it shows you're not equipped to make a good point. It's not a shame to not know a word--everyone has been there--but it can't possibly promote any point you're trying to make. In the case of "I don't know what indicators or intonation are", you could just google the definitions and in 10 seconds be ready to engage in the discussion again.Fluffbrain (talk) 19:45, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Image quality

Your recently uploaded duplicates looked like they were captured from a poor-quality YouTube video. High-quality iTunes videos are the best available source for Wiki screencaps. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:41, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

I captured them from a perfect-quality converted CTOON video. They're better quality than the ones that were there before.

TinkTonk (talk) 13:43, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

Online videos are not recommended for capturing screenshots. See Help:Screenshots. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 13:52, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

But it's not from an online video, it's from an online video turned MP4, and when a CTOON becomes an MP4, the quality becomes perfect. TinkTonk (talk) 13:54, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

An "online video turned MP4" is still an online video. Even when converted to a video file, the video quality doesn't change. I'll give you an example, using one of the screenshots you captured.
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The image on the left is your CTOON screenshot. The image on the right was taken from iTunes. Note that the image on the left is grainier and blurrier than the one on the right. The colors are a little faded, and the picture resolution is 1366x768 pixels rather than true 1280x720.
That's why iTunes or other digital video officially released by Hasbro are the Wiki's preferred sources for capturing episode screenshots. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 14:12, October 15, 2018 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Although I still don't think it really matters, since I doubt anyone would notice unless they were right next to each other like that. But hey, you're the administrator, I was just trying to help, whatever, it's your website.TinkTonk (talk) 14:22, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

If a file needs replacing, go to the file page and click "Upload a new version of this file" instead of uploading an entirely separate file. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 19:02, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Okie-dokie-lokie, thanks :)TinkTonk (talk) 19:48, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

TinkTonk, many of the images you are overwriting are already in true 720p resolution. Please stop replacing with blurry 768p versions. See Help:Screenshots for more info and details. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:03, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

But they're all super enlightened, and the red looks like orange, and the quality isn't the same as the pictures on any other pages. My images looked like the actual episode. So should I make my images 720p before I overwrite them?TinkTonk (talk) 20:09, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Like it says on the Help:Screenshots page, the most preferred method for capturing screenshots on the Wiki is with high-quality iTunes videos (which can be downloaded from sites such as YayPonies) and using the free-to-download VLC Media Player program. Anything that requires PrintScreen to capture is unadvised. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:15, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Equestria Girls

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. You may believe whatever you want. But you've presented no "evidence" of any kind. I have no interest in debating this further or listening to you echo your own words on continuous loop. This will be the only time I ask this: please drop the subject and move on. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 18:10, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

-Twilight says in Equestria Games that the last time Spike was in the Empire was when King Sombra attacked, but Spike came to the Empire in Equestria Girls.

- Twilight's mirror-doohickey is nowhere to be seen in her library in the series.

-In Mirror Magic, Starlight says Twilight and the others have been called away to solve a friendship problem, but in Shadow Play, they say they have never all been summoned except for Starlight's village.

-Every premiere starts from the end of the finale and there is no room inbetween for anything else, otherwise it would not make sense.

-Nothing relating to Equestria Girls has ever been mentioned or recalled in MLP.

-Twilight is nervous about being at the beginning of Equestria Girls, then at the end becomes very confident about her new role, but at the beginning of Princess Twilight Sparkle, she displays the same uncertainty as the beginning of Equestria Girls, as if it never happened, and also the "wearing the crown" thing is identical to the beginning of Equestria Girls, even though that went away at the end.

TinkTonk (talk) 18:18, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

(7)6(four) (talk) 20:55, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Just a question.

Why do you comment so much? I'm not trying to be rude. -- CreationBeTheWorld23 19:04, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

I comment a lot because I like to talk online, since I don't have anyone else to talk to, and I certainly hope that second part didn't mean what I think it meant. TinkTonk (talk) 19:08, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
What do you think it means? Anyways, that's a good answer. Thank you. CreationBeTheWorld23 19:09, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

It sounded oddly sexual. Never mind. Doesn't matter. TinkTonk (talk) 19:14, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Friendship is Magic

For another discussion. What is your favourite episode?. CreationBeTheWorld23 19:16, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

My favourite episode is Viva Las Pegasus, although I also especially like Best Gift Ever, To Where And Back Again, Keep Calm and Flutter On, and The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000. What about you?TinkTonk (talk) 19:18, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Mine are: School Raze, Magical Mystery Cure, Friendship is Magic, Friendship U, SSCS6000 (I'm sad it's banned here), Viva Las Pegasus, A Flurry of Emotions, Babs Seed, Best Gift Ever, The Cutie Map and School Daze. Who is your favourite character? Mine are: Pinkie Pie, Starlight Glimmer and Fluttershy. CreationBeTheWorld23 19:22, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

I liked most of those episodes, except School Daze and Friendship University, which is the episode I love to hate, but I loved Magical Mystery Cure, and School Raze, despite its tacky plot line, was very entertaining, and Cozy Glow was a great villain. I loved her.TinkTonk (talk) 19:25, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Have you ever watched MLP in another language? I've watched it in Japanese, German, Dutch, French and Latin American Spanish. CreationBeTheWorld23 19:26, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

No TinkTonk (talk) 19:31, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

For some reason, my little brother's Pinkie Pie toy is taped to the ceiling in my bedroom, and I can't get it off. --BOY DONT TREE TO FRUIT E KNEW JUICED JUICED WOOT YOU EAR! CreationBeTheWorld23 19:34, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

In regards to S9 episodes 22-26

Please see the Wiki's Community Messages and Forum:The final episodes and the Wiki. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 11:24, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Please read the pages above if you haven't already. Further disregard will result in a brief block. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 20:10, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
Hey TinkTonk! Please don't post any download links to any of the early release episodes or the leaks - the leaks especially, they're not legal, so it's best to not even talk about them. Thanks! --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 17:02, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
Hey TinkTonk! You once again posted spoilers in your last Daring Doubt comment. Thought I'd letcha know. Even the slightest hint of anything that's not officially released isn't allowed. Thanks! --Mega Sean 45 (talk) 11:28, September 23, 2019 (UTC)
You've been blocked for continuing to disregard Wiki policy regarding spoilers. The finale does not air until 8:00pm EST tonight, and spoilers in the comments and character appearance info are still off-limits until then. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 16:44, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I'm so sorry! I didn't realize the episodes weren't airing until 8! They usually air at 3:30, so I assumed talking about them was fine now. Didn't know that. Apologies. TinkTonk (talk) 16:46, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

All right, fair enough. Your block is lifted, but please keep the warning above in mind until tonight. Thank you. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 16:53, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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